Recommend first comfort ride eBike ?

gearless hub drive drags when power is off, and a bit slow out of a traffic light. also heavy, about 10 lb.
My geared hub motor will pull170 lb me & 60 lb cargo up 15% grades. The geared hub motor will pull me across 6 lanes on a 6 second green light. It is 2 years old and has 4000 miles on it. The covers came loose twice in 2 years, made thumping noise . Took 2 minute with a phillips screwdriver to retighten. I ride 25 miles 50 hills power off, and the last 27 hills and 6 miles power on. Have dropped 55 lb and 50 point chloresterol in 11 years pedaling myself mostly. I'm 69. Expect motor gears to wear out before 10000 miles, have another $450 power wheel in the garage in case. This one was $221. Can pedal home the 30 miles w/o drag if motor or battery fails. Throttle did quit in a drenching rain once, pedaled 30 miles home, dried it with a hairdryer.
Most mid drives drag with the power off, exceptions Yamaha, shimano esteps, brose. A nuisance if something fails. My bike will not fit in the wife's car. Even if I had cell phone service at the summer camp.
I just changed the chain at 5000 miles and 2 1/2 years. 8 speed chain (3/32" wide), longer lasting than 9,10, 11 speed ones. As bike has a hub motor, the chain is not used by the motor. Lubricate bimonthly since I leave the bike sitting out in the rain @ shops & volunteer job. Belts are new and somewhat expensive. SRAM shifters on my yubabike were more precise than the 7 speed shimanos on my previous kiddie bikes (I'm 68", 28" pants inseam). 8 speed up shimano shifters are not as cost reduced as the 7 speed ones, may be better.
64" people usually use 17" or 18" frames. Non-existent in the bike shops around here except 1 speed kid bikes.
2.1" tires I have are easy to change by the side of the road, fat tire (2.3" and above) reportedly not. I discarded my display so I can turn the bike over on handlebars & seat anywhere.
Wide seats usually have to be bought & installed later. The Schwinn shown left was flat & uncomfortable. I just bought a Selle Royale from modernbike.com, much better. contour in the middle to keep my weight on my ischii (bones). they have cheaper ones with contour & wide. Mine is 230 mm wide.
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Thank you so much for the details. Need to grow taller I guess! LoL
Smiling is easy as life’s good!!!
 
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Thank you again everyone. I’ve read all the comments. Summary of learning followed by questions are at the bottom.

I will definitely visit the shops and test many as recommended.

1/ I only plan to ride in the city with short hills at leisure speeds and say max 2 hours of riding. I am 5’ 5”. About 165 lbs. Will buy Straight up comfort style step through frame with wider saddle (preferably seat post suspension).
A perfect candidate for a RadCity.

2/ Belt is better than chain (lower mtce which i would definitely appreciate)
Chain is light, cheap, and simple. It's just the way we've always done it. LOL

3/ Mid-drive would be better (lighter, has gears). If going for hub motor (reliable, powerful, Low mtce) I should go for gearless motor and at least 500 watts
RadCity again...

4/ Should get suspension (full on both wheels if possible) and hydraulic disc breaks.
Less important than balloon tires and a suspension seat.

5/ Wheel size: regular not fat tires since city riding
2-3 inch is fine. Some of the mid-drive premium bikes have smallish tires, some are bigger. They are easy to change out to whatever you want. A good dealer will even do this for you, or change out a saddle if it's not comfy.

6/ Torque sensing type of throttle would be good.
It means the more you press on the pedals the more assist it gives. Without it, the crank sensor just turns on the drive motor if you're pedaling. You need to ride both and decide for yourself.

7/ Stretch cargo model will allow for cargo. Dont think I need this. Available brands: Rad, Yoba, Xtra cycle, Pedego, Red wagon, Reid’s & Muller
These handle like a bloody tank. The 'fun factor' is missing, and they are very cumbersome.

8/ Recommended bikes so far: Giant La Free E+1, Electra Townie Go 7D model <14-34 cassett for hills)
These are like 'beach-cruisers' - make sure you understand the difference. Some like them, some like something sportier.

9/ Recommend to go with top 3: Giant (LIV line), Specialized, or Trek
These are the top of the heap. Everyone else compares themselves to these guys. The best thing is their dealer support and warranty coverage. They stand behind their product - if it breaks they fix it, even if it means replacing the whole bike.

10/ Recommended Stores: LBS, Cit-e-Cycles,
Can't help ya there. ;)

QUESTION: Given the above, any other recommendations??
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My answers in red^^^^^

How many have you test ridden??? That is step number one. Good luck and let us know what you find.

Great input. Thank you.
Only one but yes, I have to test test test! Message received. Thank you 😀
 
7/ Stretch cargo model will allow for cargo. Dont think I need this. Available brands: Rad, Yoba, Xtra cycle, Pedego, Red wagon, Reid’s & Muller
These handle like a bloody tank. The 'fun factor' is missing, and they are very cumbersome.
Quick steering modern 26" bikes have thrown me on my chin 5 times. Last time I broke it. I hit bump, ridge or stick, fork whips sideways, over the handlebars. Fork with more trail cannot be bought, lawyers of USA prevent innovation. Cargo bike hasn't thrown me yet, has my weight on front tire.
 
QUOTE=GitaM, post:
Thank you again everyone. I’ve read all the comments. Summary of learning followed by questions are at the bottom.

I will definitely visit the shops and test many as recommended.

1/ I only plan to ride in the city with short hills at leisure speeds and say max 2 hours of riding. I am 5’ 5”. About 165 lbs. Will buy Straight up comfort style step through frame with wider saddle (preferably seat post suspension).
A perfect candidate for a RadCity.

2/ Belt is better than chain (lower mtce which i would definitely appreciate)
Chain is light, cheap, and simple. It's just the way we've always done it. LOL

3/ Mid-drive would be better (lighter, has gears). If going for hub motor (reliable, powerful, Low mtce) I should go for gearless motor and at least 500 watts
RadCity again...

4/ Should get suspension (full on both wheels if possible) and hydraulic disc breaks.
Less important than balloon tires and a suspension seat.

5/ Wheel size: regular not fat tires since city riding
2-3 inch is fine. Some of the mid-drive premium bikes have smallish tires, some are bigger. They are easy to change out to whatever you want. A good dealer will even do this for you, or change out a saddle if it's not comfy.

6/ Torque sensing type of throttle would be good.
It means the more you press on the pedals the more assist it gives. Without it, the crank sensor just turns on the drive motor if you're pedaling. You need to ride both and decide for yourself.

7/ Stretch cargo model will allow for cargo. Dont think I need this. Available brands: Rad, Yoba, Xtra cycle, Pedego, Red wagon, Reid’s & Muller
These handle like a bloody tank. The 'fun factor' is missing, and they are very cumbersome.

8/ Recommended bikes so far: Giant La Free E+1, Electra Townie Go 7D model <14-34 cassett for hills)
These are like 'beach-cruisers' - make sure you understand the difference. Some like them, some like something sportier.

9/ Recommend to go with top 3: Giant (LIV line), Specialized, or Trek
These are the top of the heap. Everyone else compares themselves to these guys. The best thing is their dealer support and warranty coverage. They stand behind their product - if it breaks they fix it, even if it means replacing the whole bike.

10/ Recommended Stores: LBS, Cit-e-Cycles,
Can't help ya there. ;)

QUESTION: Given the above, any other recommendations??
QUOTE

My answers in red^^^^^

How many have you test ridden??? That is step number one. Good luck and let us know what you find.
I would not classify the La Free as a beach cruiser. I ride on paved roads mostly, but have also done some hard packed dirt with no problem.
 
The best advice given here, from several commenters, is to test ride as many models as possible before buying. If you follow THAT advice, you'll have the best chance of finding something that works best for you.

I would only add that when you do test ride, be sure to ride as close to the conditions you plan to use the bike as possible. Sometimes bikes that seem like heaven on the flats just aren't up to handling hills. In Vancouver, that matters.

So much of the decision is personal preference. I spent months agonizing between the La Free E+1 ore E+2 (chosen because they felt good to me AND were what my LBS carried). What finally decided me was a black Friday sale at my LBS, offering almost $400 off the E+2. Once I made the choice, I was happy with my bike! The chain is no big deal, and the extra bucks saved allows for the purchase of nice extras like rack bag, lights, etc.

In the end, it's what feels good to YOU.
 
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I would not classify the La Free as a beach cruiser. I ride on paved roads mostly, but have also done some hard packed dirt with no problem.

It's the design configuration, not intended use - balloon tires, crank-forward, swept back bars and bolt-upright ergos. The design parameter puts comfort over performance. Obviously many are good with that, they're plenty popular.
 
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2/ Belt is better than chain (lower mtce which i would definitely appreciate)
Will seriously raise the price,
3/ Mid-drive would be better (lighter, has gears). If going for hub motor (reliable, powerful, Low mtce) I should go for gearless motor and at least 500 watts
Silly recommendation. I have them all and very much like them all. I sold my mid-drive motors in favor of Gear Driven.
5/ Wheel size: regular not fat tires since city riding
Wider tires make for a nice ride 2.25" - 2.5" are nicer than the typical 1.95"
6/ Torque sensing type of throttle would be good.
Throttle doesn't give you torque sensing. I'm an old gimp and find PAS pedal assist and an active throttle important. I road out to far a couple of times and was able to use the throttle and get home without pedaling
10/ Recommended Stores: LBS, Cit-e-Cycles,

THIS!!! Unless you want to have another hobby and buy tools stick with a LBS!!!
I do tech support for a kit seller and we try to vet customers and send them to an LBS when appropriate. What's good for the goose may NOT be good for the gander.
 
Will seriously raise the price,

Silly recommendation. I have them all and very much like them all. I sold my mid-drive motors in favor of Gear Driven.

Wider tires make for a nice ride 2.25" - 2.5" are nicer than the typical 1.95"

Throttle doesn't give you torque sensing. I'm an old gimp and find PAS pedal assist and an active throttle important. I road out to far a couple of times and was able to use the throttle and get home without pedaling


THIS!!! Unless you want to have another hobby and buy tools stick with a LBS!!!
I do tech support for a kit seller and we try to vet customers and send them to an LBS when appropriate. What's good for the goose may NOT be good for the gander.
Much thanks for all the points. 😀🙏
 
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