I have the 2018 model of the RadRover and was wondering what the resell value might be. I bought this in August of 2018, the bike is in great shape, but does have just under 1400 miles on it. Some of the extra's on it are the rear rack, and a set of Mr. Tuffy tire liners. Now that Rad Power Bikes has to charge tax here in CA, it would cost just over $1600 for a new one so I was thinking $1200.00 would be a fair price. Any Opinions?
Re-Sell Value of RadRover ?
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As atariguy mentioned, it's worth what someone is willing to pay. I am in a similar boat as you. I am probably ordering two RadCities in the next few days. My wife and I have talked about the scenario of what happens if they suck and we don't like them. Considering I am in Santa Barbara, CA, I have checked craigslist a lot. There are NEVER any used ebikes other than from rental companies trying to sell their old rentals. They generally wait 3 years to dump them. A lot of rental companies have clauses in their contracts with the bike makers that they can't sell for below a certain price and only after a certain period of time.
So what does that mean for you? I'd say $1200 is probably just a little high in this area. I know that if I found 'last years' for $1000 I'd probably buy it without hesitation.
And wait . . . Rad is charging sales tax now in CA? That makes me sad. That is going to give me cause to look at Aventon and E-Glide instead.
So what does that mean for you? I'd say $1200 is probably just a little high in this area. I know that if I found 'last years' for $1000 I'd probably buy it without hesitation.
And wait . . . Rad is charging sales tax now in CA? That makes me sad. That is going to give me cause to look at Aventon and E-Glide instead.
AHicks
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In a metro area, I think 1200 for a name brand bike might work. I sold a nicely done home brew that was about the same age last summer for 1100. in SE Mi.
You can always come down. If somebody is serious about buying it, you can always entertain an offer. Myself, if I were interested in another Rad, I'd snap that bike up in a heartbeat if it was clean.
You can always come down. If somebody is serious about buying it, you can always entertain an offer. Myself, if I were interested in another Rad, I'd snap that bike up in a heartbeat if it was clean.
Ebiker01
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Any informed buyer should stay faaaaaar away from buying an used ebike unless is from a bike shop that also offers warranty. Is at least 50x riskier buying an used ebike than an used car due to very low ebike education /dealer network .
If the buyer (most likely new to ebikes) had an issue , how will he/she handle it w/o comprenhesive warranty ? Do you expect them to google and find the electricbikereview threads on how to fix it ? Should she or he pay another 4-500$ to fix it after spending 1grand buying an used ebike ? That’s what is most likely to happen.
If you warranty is transfferable for at least 2additional years and battery is holding charge 1k is good price. No warranty -5-600$ at max. !
If the buyer (most likely new to ebikes) had an issue , how will he/she handle it w/o comprenhesive warranty ? Do you expect them to google and find the electricbikereview threads on how to fix it ? Should she or he pay another 4-500$ to fix it after spending 1grand buying an used ebike ? That’s what is most likely to happen.
If you warranty is transfferable for at least 2additional years and battery is holding charge 1k is good price. No warranty -5-600$ at max. !
rich c
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You never get any return on accessories. A buyer has no idea how you treated the battery. They have no warranty from you. A lot of people will easily pay $400 for a warranty. Just look at what they pay for aftermarket and extended car warranties! If they do any internet searching at all, they will see that Rad Power is taking a lot of hits on their advertised motor rating. I think $1200 is high.
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I advise buyers to deduct the cost of a new battery. Unless the battery can be tested. Sadly that’s near impossible. $1000 on the high end. Take a look at bicycle blue books. These are still bicycles and a battery can be horribly abused.
*****UPDATE***** I was in Northern Calif for most of May and half of June and listed this bike on CL for $1150.00. (hoping to get $1100.00) Had lots of interest but no buyers. I did get 3 offers for $1000.00, but was not willing to go that low yet. Got back home to Ventura County and realized that $1000.00 was probably the correct price point. Re-listed on CL for $1000.00 firm and the bike sold in about a week. I wanted to thank everyone who posted their opinions......this is a great forum for information !!
Anything sold to a California resident, whether direct sales or on-line, whether in-State or out of State, the seller is required to collect California sale tax. Aventon and E-Glide are both California companies. You will be paying sales tax no matter what bike you choose.
I assume you will be using road infrastructure, right? You can think of that tax paying for that road infrastructure to improve or maintain that road infrastructure and give you reason to complain to them to come and repair the odd pothole. Otherwise you can you just rent a bulldozer and take OUT your paved roads you travel on and tell them you won't be paying sales tax for your ebike cause you no longer are using paved roads. lol
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So let me reply to the last two posts.
@E B Rider - Technically you are wrong and right. You are more wrong though than you are right. A little background about me. I make a living doing ecommerce sites and have to deal with taxing authorities on a daily basis. Sales tax across state lines is a very complicated situation. There is a reason why 95% of the sites use a company called Avalara for determining sales tax rates. The reason that you are more wrong than right is that there is no obligation for a business located out of state to collect sales tax for the state they are selling into until they hit that states thresholds. Each state has their own criteria to crossing that threshold. Some states are the total sales during a calendar year and you have to do more than 250k. Some states exclude certain products. It goes on and on. Then there are even requirements to collect at the county and city rate. Thus the reason why people use Avalara software to handle all of this. In a weird irony, I am based in CA and never looked at what the threshold for CA for other states is. For me, it's just a check box as this is nexus.
Now there are some states that require the purchaser to forward the sales tax directly to the state for out of state purchases. But again, that is not every state.
I am well aware that there would be tax on Aventon and E-Glide. By adding the tax to Rad, the delta between the two bikes decreased. Thus the reason to look at the other two.
@AZOldTech
To me, it seems that you had an answer that you were just waiting for the moment to pounce. You like kinda ignorant for the response as it doesn't fit the narrative. RAD may not have hit the threshold in CA to collect sales tax. They hadn't in the past and thus the post that I made that they are collecting NOW. Notice the word NOW. It implies that they didn't in the past.
So I may not be under any obligation to pay the state any tax if RAD doesn't collect. You might want to try and read what the tax laws are in each state and then make your comment. Hell, you might even want to learn where funding from roads comes from. If you think it solely comes from state sales tax, you are mistaken and completely ignorant on the subject matter.
Nice try on trying to insult me with your rant. I give it a 2 out of 10.
@E B Rider - Technically you are wrong and right. You are more wrong though than you are right. A little background about me. I make a living doing ecommerce sites and have to deal with taxing authorities on a daily basis. Sales tax across state lines is a very complicated situation. There is a reason why 95% of the sites use a company called Avalara for determining sales tax rates. The reason that you are more wrong than right is that there is no obligation for a business located out of state to collect sales tax for the state they are selling into until they hit that states thresholds. Each state has their own criteria to crossing that threshold. Some states are the total sales during a calendar year and you have to do more than 250k. Some states exclude certain products. It goes on and on. Then there are even requirements to collect at the county and city rate. Thus the reason why people use Avalara software to handle all of this. In a weird irony, I am based in CA and never looked at what the threshold for CA for other states is. For me, it's just a check box as this is nexus.
Now there are some states that require the purchaser to forward the sales tax directly to the state for out of state purchases. But again, that is not every state.
I am well aware that there would be tax on Aventon and E-Glide. By adding the tax to Rad, the delta between the two bikes decreased. Thus the reason to look at the other two.
@AZOldTech
To me, it seems that you had an answer that you were just waiting for the moment to pounce. You like kinda ignorant for the response as it doesn't fit the narrative. RAD may not have hit the threshold in CA to collect sales tax. They hadn't in the past and thus the post that I made that they are collecting NOW. Notice the word NOW. It implies that they didn't in the past.
So I may not be under any obligation to pay the state any tax if RAD doesn't collect. You might want to try and read what the tax laws are in each state and then make your comment. Hell, you might even want to learn where funding from roads comes from. If you think it solely comes from state sales tax, you are mistaken and completely ignorant on the subject matter.
Nice try on trying to insult me with your rant. I give it a 2 out of 10.
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I can assure you there is no one pouncing. It's easy to miss read intent and tone.
Welcome to the kinder gentler forum.
Relax, this place is long on help and short on confrontational posts!
Trying to "insult" you as you say was the last thing on my mind. I was just pointing out the fact that sales tax pay for a lot of things you use and take for granted and that you may miss if they went away. BTW, Amazon as you know was NOT paying sales tax and as their pie got bigger they put many local brick and mortar shops out of business. That costs not just local jobs but more importantly local services as sales receipts and taxes collected decline. Amazon is still a problem but at least now they collect some percentage of sales tax. So paying taxes is not the boogeyman that some people like to make it out to be if you can understand the benefits to you of paying that tax.
steve mercier
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The local craigslist always has ebikes that are clearly stolen. The audacity of the excuses for missing chargers or batteries is barf inducing.
The end LOL was not necessary then if you were trying to 'educate' me.
No retailer EVER pays sales tax. Retailers collect sales tax on behalf of the state. So Amazon was not collecting
There were a few reasons why they were not collecting. Honestly, top of the list was it gave them an advantage. It allowed them to sell at a discount. The second issue and this is what Amazon's size has helped fix is the state sales tax system. If you think there are 50 taxing authorities in the US, you are incorrect There are thousands. There are taxes at the sale level that can be levied by the state, the county, the city. And when it gets to the city, it can differ within the city. From experience . . . one of my clients got audited and owed a couple thousand dollars in taxes to a city. Why? Because the tax rate was different in the building for the top half versus the bottom half. When we built out their system we collected by zip code. We didn't know the intricacies of the city tax code. That is why we found Avalara and just use it!I am well aware of what taxes pay for. If you want to turn this into a tax debate, we can. I can tell you that barking up the buyer of a bike is the wrong tree. You should bark up the tree of corporations.
Actually the lol at the end was there to show that it was a joke. Nobody in their right mind would rent a bulldozer and go take out paved roads. I thought it was funny. BTW, the tax debate IMO starts and ends with a person that doesn't want to pay a tax even though he/she uses the services that tax provide.
steve mercier
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Easy now David. Thomas is right. Very few people here are trolls, unlike many other sites. You can relax with the thought that you are among friendly Ebikers.The end LOL was not necessary then if you were trying to 'educate' me.
No retailer EVER pays sales tax. Retailers collect sales tax on behalf of the state. So Amazon was not collecting
I am well aware of what taxes pay for. If you want to turn this into a tax debate, we can. I can tell you that barking up the buyer of a bike is the wrong tree. You should bark up the tree of corporations.
Can't we all just get along?? HAHA
I probably am the contrarian here, but I don't mind paying sales tax in California at all. IMO, I live in the hands-down best place in the US to ride a bike...San Diego. It has so much to offer and the state has done a remarkable job in creating many things free of cost. Namely, an incredible amount of bike-friendly trails and roads. The money for all California has to offer has to come from somewhere! Who? The people who want to live here, that's who. Cal is bleeding red ink. Someone here said they live in Santa Barbara. For those of you who aren't familiar it is one of the most beautiful coastal communities on the entire west coast.
Ok, so let's think for a minute...abolish sales tax, abolish state tax, abolish traffic fines. How long before the entire state goes bankrupt?? OK, so now all the other states say "hey, that's not fair. we want it all free too!"
Now the government steps in and says "Ok, heck with it. Let's scrap it all and just become a socialist country." Guess what? Taxes WILL go through the roof. Our country was founded on capitalism. It's what has made America great. Let's keep it that way and pay our taxes...yeech!
I probably am the contrarian here, but I don't mind paying sales tax in California at all. IMO, I live in the hands-down best place in the US to ride a bike...San Diego. It has so much to offer and the state has done a remarkable job in creating many things free of cost. Namely, an incredible amount of bike-friendly trails and roads. The money for all California has to offer has to come from somewhere! Who? The people who want to live here, that's who. Cal is bleeding red ink. Someone here said they live in Santa Barbara. For those of you who aren't familiar it is one of the most beautiful coastal communities on the entire west coast.
Ok, so let's think for a minute...abolish sales tax, abolish state tax, abolish traffic fines. How long before the entire state goes bankrupt?? OK, so now all the other states say "hey, that's not fair. we want it all free too!"
Now the government steps in and says "Ok, heck with it. Let's scrap it all and just become a socialist country." Guess what? Taxes WILL go through the roof. Our country was founded on capitalism. It's what has made America great. Let's keep it that way and pay our taxes...yeech!
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