- Snow Bird - Summer S.E. Michigan, Winter Gulf Coast North Central Fl.
My friend, we were not discussing long climbs. You're preaching to the choir here regarding those (I have 2 mid drives (both w/throttles) for riding in another area I frequent, where with my weight they do an awesome job in an area with fairly challenging coastal hills). I'm a firm believer in mid drives when any sort of steep or long hill is in play. Lets not make this about YOUR bikes, or the areas YOU ride. We were discussing, if you'll go back and check, a situation described as "countryside in SE Michigan (rolling hills, no mountains)". This happens to be an area I'm pretty familiar with, as I've spent most of my 70+ years living here.....Al, I just want to say it is not necessarily the (electrical) power that matters in electrically assisted cycling. A high power hub-drive e-bike could be a good option for commuters who want to reach their destination fast and with the least effort (why not to ride on the throttle anyway?) A Direct Drive motor could be even better! My third e-bike has a "250 W" 500 Wh peak (electrical) power AKM geared hub-drive motor. Yes, it is so pleasant to ride it at 32 km/h (20 mph) on the flat and not worry at all. One of the reasons I do not ride it anymore is that e-bike was giving me no workout, and was not good on significant climbs.
The 250 W (nominal) mid-drive motors are bashed by those who are fond of "high power". My point is "250 Wh" is just a legal term. Depending on the motor, you can get, for example, 565 W of mechanical power (around 725 Wh electrical) from the Specialized 2.2 "250 Wh" mid-drive motor. Add to it the natural pedalling experience and the ability of climbing extremely steep long hills. The great thing about a good mid-drive is its ability to power the e-bike at both very low or high speed without the need of using any throttle. And how do geared hub-drives fare on demanding long climbs?
And please stop ASSuming throttle equipped bikes are primarily powered using that method. Sure some do (they have that option, why shouldn't they?), but MOST riders of throttle equipped bikes are just like others on bikes, and looking for some exercise.... they just have an option you don't!