Mike, from your name I am going to assume you are "in the business".
I have to disagree with you on some of your points though. I know absolutely NOTHING about juiced bikes, but I will take it on using my rad power Rover as a basis for discussion. I paid $1500 for it, delivered. I guess it would be the equivalent of $1300 stand alone not including shipping?
Yes, it is built to a price.
And yes, I did mod mine, things like putting better/bigger brakes, headlight, etc. I certainly did not have to, it was pretty damn good right out of the box. I got what I was expecting, got needed support from them (shipping damage) immediately when needed. It's not a Sonders. It's not a Strummer (or whatever expensive bike you want to put). It's somewhere in between, just like the price point. I fully expect to put the miles on, I needed a heavier duty bike for my 270lb bike and unpaved roads. Exactly what I needed. It's only a 750 watt geared motor, does what I thought it would, nothing more, nothing less. But for the money a good value, and unless I am wrong the bike being discussed here would play in the same sandbox.
I have to disagree with you on some of your points though. I know absolutely NOTHING about juiced bikes, but I will take it on using my rad power Rover as a basis for discussion. I paid $1500 for it, delivered. I guess it would be the equivalent of $1300 stand alone not including shipping?
Yes, it is built to a price.
And yes, I did mod mine, things like putting better/bigger brakes, headlight, etc. I certainly did not have to, it was pretty damn good right out of the box. I got what I was expecting, got needed support from them (shipping damage) immediately when needed. It's not a Sonders. It's not a Strummer (or whatever expensive bike you want to put). It's somewhere in between, just like the price point. I fully expect to put the miles on, I needed a heavier duty bike for my 270lb bike and unpaved roads. Exactly what I needed. It's only a 750 watt geared motor, does what I thought it would, nothing more, nothing less. But for the money a good value, and unless I am wrong the bike being discussed here would play in the same sandbox.