Pondering a budget-priced EMTB with full suspension.Thoughts?

Getting a eMTB was kind of an experiment for me, wasn't sure how much I would really like it. The reason I sold the dirtbikes was fear of injury. Offroad it's not a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when', and while usually it's a low-side or a dump-over, some horrific over-the bars-land-on-your-head is not uncommon. I can't think of a single fellow rider in our cadre that escaped injury - and a few were made paralyzed and wheelchair bound. Some recovered to continue riding - makes them look like masocists. Very sad indeed when a guy breaks his neck or his back.

So my greatest fear of the mountain bike was crashing on my head again. I was considered an expert rider offroad, there was no triple-black-diamond trail we couldn't get through, sometimes so steep there was no way to stop, sometimes treacherous side-hill trails so narrow you couldn't stand, and one mistake and you would plunge to your death down a cliff. Exciting for sure, but the stuff for younger mortals. Now having put a few hundred miles on my Trance the danger is not nearly as high as a motorcycle, for many reasons. Primarily speed, but the bike is so light you can pick it up and walk it through if necessary. And the assist takes away the biggest drawback of bicycling offroad - it makes the hills easy! Pick a low gear, put full assist on, and it walk right up the steepest hills possible, as long as you can get traction. It really is quite amazing.

The latest and greatest of the new technology have suspension that rivaled our early dirtbikes from the 70's, handling is just outstanding, they're very planted, tires stick like velcro and are nearly the size of those old motorcycles. Hydraulic disc brakes round out the control assets making descents safe and WAY too much fun.

The first few times out on the trail it was a little hard to get used to - you're much more top-heavy on a bike, but you soon learn to throw your weight to get the bike to respond, it becomes easy to keep them on the trail. Even more revealing was just how much FUN! It made me feel like a teenager again, my very early days of trail riding. I cannot explain truly how much fun it has been to get back out on the trail. Even more exciting is the network of trails that are open to bicycles that have been closed for decades to motorbikes. It's like a whole new world.

But all this technology comes at a cost. One soon realizes that to gain the best benefit of the sport it does take a substantial investment. I was pretty happy to get a very competent bike for about four thousand, out the door. I could have spent more, could have spent less, but feel like I got a level of technology that would satisfy my riding style, with room to grow in competency without running out of bike. Surely one can spend many thousands on the latest and greatest. Finding something affordable that will meet your projected needs is a very real challenge for sure.

Good luck and let us know what you find out there. Buying choices may well be severely limited 'till the new 2021 models arrive. The pandemic has caused a huge surge in demand, and all dealers I talked to have sold out their inventory for the year with no option to get more - the factories are sold out too.


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If you hold out long enough until Black Friday, Haibike always seems to come up with some great discounts on various mtb models in their lineup. A heck of alot cheaper then those 6 to near 10 grand for........a bicycle with a motor. Good grief.
For real, it's crazy how expensive some of these are compared to what I can get in a used motorcycle, where you feel like you're getting a lot more for you $$$. I've thought the same thing about the more expensive standard bicycles, though.

I think if I had the time to mountain bike more (perhaps retired), had a great enough interest, and if it was earlier in the biking season, I would be interested in this Bulls 2019, which still shows in stock, but I guess not many people can comfortably afford $5500 on a darn bike, so that helps explain that.
 
It is a joke, not a proper e-MTB...

Hi Stefan

I am looking for an affordable 2nd Ebike. Why wouldn't I consider the F35? It does look like the price has jumped to 2300 for the 2020 model, but I would love a dual suspension cruiser MTB to tool around town...
 
I own a Sondors, if you are looking for a deal this is hard to beat.

Rockstar

But you have to move fast these were just released and they are almost all sold out now, they sent me an Email saying only 6 were left yesterday.
Some will say it's too cheap, but you did say "budget priced" in your title OP.

Edit: Only available in the US/CAN...... :(
Because the motor is too powerful for the EU.

They only have 1 left per Marcia at Sonders and I'm not sure I want to give them 2300 today. I would consider 299 now and the balance before shipping...
 
Getting a eMTB was kind of an experiment for me, wasn't sure how much I would really like it. The reason I sold the dirtbikes was fear of injury. Offroad it's not a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when', and while usually it's a low-side or a dump-over, some horrific over-the bars-land-on-your-head is not uncommon. I can't think of a single fellow rider in our cadre that escaped injury - and a few were made paralyzed and wheelchair bound. Some recovered to continue riding - makes them look like masocists. Very sad indeed when a guy breaks his neck or his back.

So my greatest fear of the mountain bike was crashing on my head again. I was considered an expert rider offroad, there was no triple-black-diamond trail we couldn't get through, sometimes so steep there was no way to stop, sometimes treacherous side-hill trails so narrow you couldn't stand, and one mistake and you would plunge to your death down a cliff. Exciting for sure, but the stuff for younger mortals. Now having put a few hundred miles on my Trance the danger is not nearly as high as a motorcycle, for many reasons. Primarily speed, but the bike is so light you can pick it up and walk it through if necessary. And the assist takes away the biggest drawback of bicycling offroad - it makes the hills easy! Pick a low gear, put full assist on, and it walk right up the steepest hills possible, as long as you can get traction. It really is quite amazing.

The latest and greatest of the new technology have suspension that rivaled our early dirtbikes from the 70's, handling is just outstanding, they're very planted, tires stick like velcro and are nearly the size of those old motorcycles. Hydraulic disc brakes round out the control assets making descents safe and WAY too much fun.

The first few times out on the trail it was a little hard to get used to - you're much more top-heavy on a bike, but you soon learn to throw your weight to get the bike to respond, it becomes easy to keep them on the trail. Even more revealing was just how much FUN! It made me feel like a teenager again, my very early days of trail riding. I cannot explain truly how much fun it has been to get back out on the trail. Even more exciting is the network of trails that are open to bicycles that have been closed for decades to motorbikes. It's like a whole new world.

But all this technology comes at a cost. One soon realizes that to gain the best benefit of the sport it does take a substantial investment. I was pretty happy to get a very competent bike for about four thousand, out the door. I could have spent more, could have spent less, but feel like I got a level of technology that would satisfy my riding style, with room to grow in competency without running out of bike. Surely one can spend many thousands on the latest and greatest. Finding something affordable that will meet your projected needs is a very real challenge for sure.

Good luck and let us know what you find out there. Buying choices may well be severely limited 'till the new 2021 models arrive. The pandemic has caused a huge surge in demand, and all dealers I talked to have sold out their inventory for the year with no option to get more - the factories are sold out too.


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I very much appreciate the thoughts. Living in the Midwest, I’m not seeking, nor am I worried about cliffs or even very technical trails. Mostly want to feel better equipped to go off road and just see how that goes. Then if I love it enough I might make a larger “investment“.
Frankly, I’m more interested in getting my wife a good ebike for us to go together before spending lots of money on something I’ve not done before.👍
 
If you can wait keep a watch out for a New Zen Bike they are working on its nick named the SUB Bike I think you would be very happy with its configuration
 
For real, it's crazy how expensive some of these are compared to what I can get in a used motorcycle, where you feel like you're getting a lot more for you $$$. I've thought the same thing about the more expensive standard bicycles, though.

I think if I had the time to mountain bike more (perhaps retired), had a great enough interest, and if it was earlier in the biking season, I would be interested in this Bulls 2019, which still shows in stock, but I guess not many people can comfortably afford $5500 on a darn bike, so that helps explain that.
Yeah, I’m definitely not into spending that much nor half that much!
 
Your avatar is of one of my favorite import beers. Just outstanding. 👍

I'm 63 and have been riding motorcycles since I was 11 years old. Getting into mountain biking has been one of the most fun things I've done in my life. Had I known how much fun they were I would likely have taken it up sooner. It had to take getting so old I couldn't riding motorbikes any longer, and sold them all. I was heartbroken. One more crash and I was likely to end up in a wheelchair - it just wasn't worth it any longer. Plus, wifey of 30 years said if I became invalid from a motorcycle crash she would wipe my ass with sandpaper. 🤣

You may get by with a 'hardtail', depending on the terrain you want to tackle. For smooth groomed trails and roads and more like cross-country riding, they work really well. All of the 'big-3' offer a hardtail version of a eMTB, you save the cost of the rear-suspension setup.

I'm more familiar with Giant since I've spent more time studying them, and I really like the Yamaha drive system. So the FATHOM is their hard-tail, then the full-suspension entry-level STANCE, and then the TRANCE in at least a couple of component levels. Their REIGN is their down-hill racer model, just mentioning it as part of their lineup. You might get by with their less expensive models here.

Everything is sold out for the year. Trek is the only brand that you MIGHT find something in stock/for sale. They also have a hardtail and FS model as well, and the brand is well regarded. Giant and Specialized are sold out 'till the '21 models arrive.

Depending on the size you need, you might find something at REI - their GHOST line seems to get good reviews. Their eMTB has the Shimano Steps system, very good, and priced really well at $3695:


Great info Browneye, thanks for sharing. We have similar background, except is sounds like I had to give up my dirt bikes a little earlier in life.

So given your history I'm curious exactly which ebike (specs and motor) you ended up...that satisfied your expectations?

i.e. with no ebike experience, and no real options for test drive in current situation, how much motor power and battery size is needed for extended hill climbs?

I know a lot depends on rider and conditions. I'm 205#, looking at trails and fire roads, try to avoid rocky trails and highly technical sections (my wife will usually ride along and doesn't have any off-road experience, except for casual trail riding)

As stated earlier, the sky's the limit on the upper end of price, but what is the minimum threshold of spec and power that will satisfy someone who is used to quality components on dirk bikes.

Thx !
 
Hi Stefan

I am looking for an affordable 2nd Ebike. Why wouldn't I consider the F35? It does look like the price has jumped to 2300 for the 2020 model, but I would love a dual suspension cruiser MTB to tool around town...
Because you wouldn't like to be laughed at on the trail? The e-bike is a very heavy and it does not meet a criteria of a decent e-MTB. It is like a very cheap SUV never meant to be taken off-road but probably breaking on every second day... It is your money though.
 
Race?
Throttle ready 1500 Watts power, learn to handle the weight like the very light dirt bike ( it is ) and very quick to 20mph
Mine is 63# no problem
 
It is not the power that matters on the trail. I don't want to elaborate on that. Watch some Electric Mountain Bike Network videos on YouTube. And no, you don't use the throttle on the single track.
 
Getting a eMTB was kind of an experiment for me, wasn't sure how much I would really like it. The reason I sold the dirtbikes was fear of injury. Offroad it's not a matter of 'if', it's a matter of 'when', and while usually it's a low-side or a dump-over, some horrific over-the bars-land-on-your-head is not uncommon. I can't think of a single fellow rider in our cadre that escaped injury - and a few were made paralyzed and wheelchair bound. Some recovered to continue riding - makes them look like masocists. Very sad indeed when a guy breaks his neck or his back.

So my greatest fear of the mountain bike was crashing on my head again. I was considered an expert rider offroad, there was no triple-black-diamond trail we couldn't get through, sometimes so steep there was no way to stop, sometimes treacherous side-hill trails so narrow you couldn't stand, and one mistake and you would plunge to your death down a cliff. Exciting for sure, but the stuff for younger mortals. Now having put a few hundred miles on my Trance the danger is not nearly as high as a motorcycle, for many reasons. Primarily speed, but the bike is so light you can pick it up and walk it through if necessary. And the assist takes away the biggest drawback of bicycling offroad - it makes the hills easy! Pick a low gear, put full assist on, and it walk right up the steepest hills possible, as long as you can get traction. It really is quite amazing.

The latest and greatest of the new technology have suspension that rivaled our early dirtbikes from the 70's, handling is just outstanding, they're very planted, tires stick like velcro and are nearly the size of those old motorcycles. Hydraulic disc brakes round out the control assets making descents safe and WAY too much fun.

The first few times out on the trail it was a little hard to get used to - you're much more top-heavy on a bike, but you soon learn to throw your weight to get the bike to respond, it becomes easy to keep them on the trail. Even more revealing was just how much FUN! It made me feel like a teenager again, my very early days of trail riding. I cannot explain truly how much fun it has been to get back out on the trail. Even more exciting is the network of trails that are open to bicycles that have been closed for decades to motorbikes. It's like a whole new world.

But all this technology comes at a cost. One soon realizes that to gain the best benefit of the sport it does take a substantial investment. I was pretty happy to get a very competent bike for about four thousand, out the door. I could have spent more, could have spent less, but feel like I got a level of technology that would satisfy my riding style, with room to grow in competency without running out of bike. Surely one can spend many thousands on the latest and greatest. Finding something affordable that will meet your projected needs is a very real challenge for sure.

Good luck and let us know what you find out there. Buying choices may well be severely limited 'till the new 2021 models arrive. The pandemic has caused a huge surge in demand, and all dealers I talked to have sold out their inventory for the year with no option to get more - the factories are sold out too.


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Great summary... this is what keeps me coming back to EMTBs! ;)
 
I very much appreciate the thoughts. Living in the Midwest, I’m not seeking, nor am I worried about cliffs or even very technical trails. Mostly want to feel better equipped to go off road and just see how that goes. Then if I love it enough I might make a larger “investment“.
Frankly, I’m more interested in getting my wife a good ebike for us to go together before spending lots of money on something I’ve not done before.👍

A RadCity might be a good option for the wife. Others to consider - Giant LaFree, Trek Verve+, Specialized Como, Liv Amiti, Ride1Up, and Aventon Pace. I would bet any of these would work for her.

Great info Browneye, thanks for sharing. We have similar background, except is sounds like I had to give up my dirt bikes a little earlier in life.

So given your history I'm curious exactly which ebike (specs and motor) you ended up...that satisfied your expectations?

i.e. with no ebike experience, and no real options for test drive in current situation, how much motor power and battery size is needed for extended hill climbs?

I know a lot depends on rider and conditions. I'm 205#, looking at trails and fire roads, try to avoid rocky trails and highly technical sections (my wife will usually ride along and doesn't have any off-road experience, except for casual trail riding)

As stated earlier, the sky's the limit on the upper end of price, but what is the minimum threshold of spec and power that will satisfy someone who is used to quality components on dirk bikes.

Thx !

Thanks! Yes, a lifetime of dirtbikes and enjoying mountain exploring, made it really tough to get out of it.
You might enjoy the thread I started on eMTB's, referenced above - but here it is again: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/emtb-options-for-2020.32057/
A good group of experienced riders all contributed, we covered a LOT of e-mountain bikes and discussed options. Just outstanding input there.

You may also do fine with a 'hardtail' mountain bike. They have front suspension only, no rear, but ergos of a mountain bike, knobby tires, and a reasonable front suspension fork. They are quite a bit less expensive than a state-of-the-art full suspension (FS) mountain bike.

I have been beyond thrilled with my 2019 Giant Trance E+2. Range is about 30-40 offroad miles. I am spent before the battery is. LOL Absolutely no regrets at all. My dirtbikes were Penton, Yamaha, Husqvarna, KTM, Suzuki, and Honda. Even had a street-legal GasGas EC250 for a number of years. 👍
 
Because you wouldn't like to be laughed at on the trail? The e-bike is a very heavy and it does not meet a criteria of a decent e-MTB. It is like a very cheap SUV never meant to be taken off-road but probably breaking on every second day... It is your money though.

But what if my jokes were funny on the trail
 
I very much appreciate the thoughts. Living in the Midwest, I’m not seeking, nor am I worried about cliffs or even very technical trails. Mostly want to feel better equipped to go off road and just see how that goes. Then if I love it enough I might make a larger “investment“.
Frankly, I’m more interested in getting my wife a good ebike for us to go together before spending lots of money on something I’ve not done before.👍

If your main riding partner will be an inexperienced wife, that changes the equation substantially.

I made the mistake of trying to get my wife into mtb riding. We had toured extensively 2up on motorbikes - crossed sandy desserts and tackled mountain trails many solo riders struggle with. Pillion in a million. But she never got her head around mtb riding and almost stopped cycling. Then I bought her a step through conventional bike ( norco scene) - she LOVES it. We ride gravel rail trails and tour gentle dirt roads together. I still ride the hard core mtb with my kids as well as my group of old dirt bike mates.

To be completely honest, if I was only riding with my wife I'd buy a hard tail emtb like a giant fathom . Lighter and less complex, plus a good excuse to upgrade in a couple of years to a dual suspension if I got addicted.
 
A RadCity might be a good option for the wife. Others to consider - Giant LaFree, Trek Verve+, Specialized Como, Liv Amiti, Ride1Up, and Aventon Pace. I would bet any of these would work for her.



Thanks! Yes, a lifetime of dirtbikes and enjoying mountain exploring, made it really tough to get out of it.
You might enjoy the thread I started on eMTB's, referenced above - but here it is again: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/emtb-options-for-2020.32057/
A good group of experienced riders all contributed, we covered a LOT of e-mountain bikes and discussed options. Just outstanding input there.

You may also do fine with a 'hardtail' mountain bike. They have front suspension only, no rear, but ergos of a mountain bike, knobby tires, and a reasonable front suspension fork. They are quite a bit less expensive than a state-of-the-art full suspension (FS) mountain bike.

I have been beyond thrilled with my 2019 Giant Trance E+2. Range is about 30-40 offroad miles. I am spent before the battery is. LOL Absolutely no regrets at all. My dirtbikes were Penton, Yamaha, Husqvarna, KTM, Suzuki, and Honda. Even had a street-legal GasGas EC250 for a number of years. 👍
Ive been looking at the Verve’s and possibly another Allant. She likes to ride but seems less interested in ebikes. We’ll see where it goes.🤔
 
If your main riding partner will be an inexperienced wife, that changes the equation substantially.

I made the mistake of trying to get my wife into mtb riding. We had toured extensively 2up on motorbikes - crossed sandy desserts and tackled mountain trails many solo riders struggle with. Pillion in a million. But she never got her head around mtb riding and almost stopped cycling. Then I bought her a step through conventional bike ( norco scene) - she LOVES it. We ride gravel rail trails and tour gentle dirt roads together. I still ride the hard core mtb with my kids as well as my group of old dirt bike mates.

To be completely honest, if I was only riding with my wife I'd buy a hard tail emtb like a giant fathom . Lighter and less complex, plus a good excuse to upgrade in a couple of years to a dual suspension if I got addicted.
Not trying to get her into an EMTB, just a regular ebike. Yeah the Giant is certainly in the running.
 
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A RadCity might be a good option for the wife. Others to consider - Giant LaFree, Trek Verve+, Specialized Como, Liv Amiti, Ride1Up, and Aventon Pace. I would bet any of these would work for her.



Thanks! Yes, a lifetime of dirtbikes and enjoying mountain exploring, made it really tough to get out of it.
You might enjoy the thread I started on eMTB's, referenced above - but here it is again: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/emtb-options-for-2020.32057/
A good group of experienced riders all contributed, we covered a LOT of e-mountain bikes and discussed options. Just outstanding input there.

You may also do fine with a 'hardtail' mountain bike. They have front suspension only, no rear, but ergos of a mountain bike, knobby tires, and a reasonable front suspension fork. They are quite a bit less expensive than a state-of-the-art full suspension (FS) mountain bike.

I have been beyond thrilled with my 2019 Giant Trance E+2. Range is about 30-40 offroad miles. I am spent before the battery is. LOL Absolutely no regrets at all. My dirtbikes were Penton, Yamaha, Husqvarna, KTM, Suzuki, and Honda. Even had a street-legal GasGas EC250 for a number of years. 👍

I'm still a noob so might be mistaken, but the Giant-Yamaha's are Class II and don't have a throttle, is that correct?

So here's kind of a trick question...if you had the option for throttle only power over 20 mph, is that an option you would want on your rides?

...and on a long (or lazy) day, did you ever feel like you could use more power than the Yamaha offers? 80 n/m, I believe?
 
I'm still a noob so might be mistaken, but the Giant-Yamaha's are Class II and don't have a throttle, is that correct?

So here's kind of a trick question...if you had the option for throttle only power over 20 mph, is that an option you would want on your rides?
I would take that, but that makes it a class 3 for sure.
 
Would a 75 lb MTB with dual suspension ride smoother around town that a fold up fat bike? I am looking for comfort and want to stay 2500 max and want the look of the mountain bike. It will probably never see dirt, I just like the look...
 
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