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Amish David

Amish David

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I apologize if some of the words I say come out wrong I'm still trying to figure out how to work a computer. The town that I am in right now working will not allow my horse and buggy so I had to buy a bicycle I am installing a front drive 48v 1000w system. There are quite a fedrive hills, I'm looking to hope to get 15 miles per hour maybe 18 out of it but was wondering approximately how many miles I could ride on the batteries. A few hills around here or about 40 degrees slope approximately 50 to 100 yards long or tall. In hoping it will get at least 15 miles on a charge, obviously one of the ways are mostly downhill. I plan on running 48v 35 amp hour battery. I know it's difficult to judge because of the heels and what not. I weigh 150 lb guessing the bike is about 85lb. With the barriers.
Thanks for any advise.
 
Hi David, welcome!

You didn't mention if you're pedaling along with the drive. I ask because I have Amish neighbors here in Pennsylvania that won't/can't use a bike with pedals, chain and gears. I suspect if you're able to go electric, using pedals aren't an issue. Electric alone will obviously not have as much power for hills or speed. That said, 1000 watts is good power for an ebike.

Next question, is your battery sealed lead acid? Or lithium-ion? The former won't give the speed or range of the latter.

Answers will help us to offer better information.
 
Technically I'm not supposed to own a bicycle because it is considered a worldly item. However I am living among the English, but try my best to keep my Amish traits unfortunately the situation I am in forces me to do other things. I still work very hard but I am close to 50 now and it is getting harder for me to do things. I'm looking at starting out in- expensive battier l only be going to town twice a week if that. I am working on a family's Ranch for the next year-and-a-half and they are allowing me to plant a garden here as well, sorry going off topic for the time being I am looking at 4 12v LED batteries. By the way I stayed in Berks Connie (county) for a while I miss Pennsylvania, and thank you for getting back. And yes I will be peddling a bit as well.
 
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My neighbors, the younger men, use a sort of kick-scooter bicycle. No seat, pedals or gears, but bicycle size tires. I feel like a sorry old man watching the hills they can conquer. By the way, I'm a little older than you, not too much though!

I would suggest the biggest issues with lead batteries are weight, range (miles traveled), maintenance and life expectancy. We've seen many people come here asking for help with them because the range after a couple of months drops to just a fraction of what they were when new. You can look at it like a boat electric trolling motor. You really need a deep cycle lead acid battery, because like a boat motor you'll be doing deep discharging and charging. That damages standard lead acid batteries. They are really designed to start a vehicle, then get immediately charged by that same vehicle. Deep cycle batteries can take more abuse. Good deep cycle batteries are probably double the cost of a standard battery, add to that more frequent replacement and you're spending as much or more over 2 to 5 years as you would for a lithium-ion pack. There are even bargains to be had for 48 volt LiFePO4 lithium-ion. It's an older chemistry and heavier, but serviceable for ebike needs.

That all said, I can understand wanting to save some money. I use deep cycle batteries with a trolling motor, but I don't have experience with standard lead acid batteries for ebike use. Hopefully someone will chime in with personal use and experience.

Good luck!
 
Sorry I guess I did not mention that. These are deep cycle rechargeable batteries. I've learned a little bit about them. I do run solar energy at the place where I'm staying. So I learn rather quickly to use deep cycle batteries. The ones I am looking at at this time or 12 volts 35 amp hours a piece. I have to watch my finances because things that I do I do for cash. Also these batteries are fairly small about the size of motorcycle battery so they do not weigh too much. Obviously I've never had a electric bike so it's a new thing for me. But as I said I'm hoping to get at least 15 miles out of the bike. But I'm not sure what the average mile is on an on an electric bike. Again thank you for answering me.
 
Good day @Amish David and welcome to the forum.
I have an electric scooter that uses led acid 4 x 12 volt 20 amh batteries, 48volt with a 1000watt rear hub motor, it weighs about 250lbs plus my 220lslbs.
The first year I was able to get about 35 miles per charge without pedals.
Second year things went well south and as time went by so did the battery life down to 5 miles per charge.
You will get better proformance than I did since you have 35 amh that gives you more distance and your bike is a lot lighter.
Personally I would save few more pennies and get a lithium ion pack.
Last year I got a Teo fat bike with a 48 bolt 17 amh lithium ion battery and my rides are usually up to 55 miles round trip with one bar of charge to spare.
Hope this gives you an idea of what you can expect.
Ps. My scooter is Motorino xpr.
 
AguassissiM,
Thanks for the info, I am looking at about a 14 mile round trip. I can get the 4 deep sells for 180.00 in a year I will be able to spend the 5 or 600.00 to get the battery pack you are talking about. Again thank you for the info, it gives me hope.
 
You would be much better off getting Dewalt tool batteries and putting them on the bike instead of lead acid.
 
Rich, thank you for the video, I would not be able to figure it all of that, growing up Amish I've never really been around electrical tools and how they work. I have recently started to learn how to use them. It looks like a really unique design but again that's beyond my capabilities. But again thank you for the information it's amazing what people can do.
 
David, you should be ok for 14 miles. Play with the bike a bit to get a sense of the best speed for the range you want. My guess is to stay under 15 MPH. Most important for lead acid batteries is proper maintenance/charge. That's true for any battery of course, but sealed lead acid batteries aren't as forgiving as other chemistries.

Checkout this video and the links below it.


https://deepcyclebatterystore.com/how-to-maintain-batteries/

https://www.aussiebatteries.com.au/deep-cycle-battery-guide/

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery

Using best practices, you'll do fine.
 
AguassissiM said:
@Amish David
You're welcome, always glad to share my experience.
Let us know how you made out with the project and do not forget to post some pictures of your new ride.
You can read about my Teo bike here if you have time.
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It will be a few months I did get a small battery that I run rear break light/parking light and blinkers off of there LED and take little volts to run, I will be putting the (4) 35Ah batteries on the rear bracket, and make a bracket that will hold the single battery I have on the back now, with will relocate in the mane frame, I am also working on a self charging system, if it works out I will enplane how I got it to work. For longer commutes. Thanks again for all the input! Some people say it's cheesy however I would rather look silly and be safe and get run over most of the roads around here are only 12 foot wide no emergency lane
 

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J.R. said:
David, you should be ok for 14 miles. Play with the bike a bit to get a sense of the best speed for the range you want. My guess is to stay under 15 MPH. Most important for lead acid batteries is proper maintenance/charge. That's true for any battery of course, but sealed lead acid batteries aren't as forgiving as other chemistries.

Checkout this video and the links below it.


https://deepcyclebatterystore.com/how-to-maintain-batteries/

https://www.aussiebatteries.com.au/deep-cycle-battery-guide/

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery

Using best practices, you'll do fine.
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Thanks again J.R I will post pictures when I get it done, it will be a few months though.
 
Amish David said:
It will be a few months I did get a small battery that I run rear break light/parking light and blinkers off of there LED and take little volts to run, I will be putting the (4) 35Ah batteries on the rear bracket, and make a bracket that will hold the single battery I have on the back now, with will relocate in the mane frame, I am also working on a self charging system, if it works out I will enplane how I got it to work. For longer commutes. Thanks again for all the input! Some people say it's cheesy however I would rather look silly and be safe and get run over most of the roads around here are only 12 foot wide no emergency lane
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Just like a helmet that you can't see while using it, you can't see the bike while you're using it as intended! Don't worry what it looks like, get it mechanically sound and safe, be visible and ride sensible.

Good luck David, and do keep us posted on your progress.
 
Thanks J.R. I kind of get over paranoid when it comes to safety. Especially with people in cars if they do not see an Amish buggy and plow. Into them makes you wonder how they're going to see a bicycle.
 
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