Plus models were always Class 3. Just new iteration on current Bosch platform with unreasonable price increase.Thanks for that info . I'll have to look over the specs . Maybe it's just now 28mph vs 20 .
I dont see an issue with the smaller extra battery. but a new nyon is in the works. bosch takes their own sweet time to refine their system. but I bet its going to be 4 or more years before they have a big change.As owner of previous generation of C380+ I definitely would skip this generation. The overall changes are not that notable except migration to Bosch Smart System, with 750Wh battery as biggest benefit of it. Otherwise, the immaturity of Smart System add some limitations to this model, like no dual battery option (only 250W extender potentially available) or no Bosch Nyon display option. Somehow no Enviolo Automatiq option offered by Gazelle (while Smart System has compatibility already). And the final nail in the coffin is off-course the MSRP: $6k vs $4.75k in previous generation - there is absolutely no reason in the 25% price bump. Am I missing something here?
Propel have new Smart System poweres R&M bikes for few month already, so this one is definitely not first. May be them mean first Gazelle in US? Then this is true.in the USA , they say .
Yes, smaller extra gives you 1000Wh in total - same is my dual battery setup now. However I was hoping for 1250Wh or even 1500Wh options - R&M didn't release updates for their dual-battery models with Smart System yet, so may be we will see them later this year or next year? Overall Smart System becames quite a nice mprovement over old one and in few years I will definitely look for upgrade!I dont see an issue with the smaller extra battery. but a new nyon is in the works. bosch takes their own sweet time to refine their system. but I bet its going to be 4 or more years before they have a big change.
They said USA but there have been a few already available over here. Gazelle isn't a US company.in the USA , they say .
I like how the Verge puts 'first and only' in quotes to make it clear they are repeating what Gazelle's PR told them to say regardless of its lack of... accuracy.They said USA but there have been a few already available over here. Gazelle isn't a US company.
With all the respect to Gazelle, I doubt it is first in US - R&M announce and made their 2024 models earlier this year, and they have i.e. Riese & Muller Nevo4 GT Vario HS bike, which is Class 3, Smart System, Performance Line Speed and Step-Through frame design. I think you don't need to be first - I always look at Gazelle as more affordable choice than R&M with comparable build and parts quality and superior history and heritage - this is why I am riding my trusty C380+ HMB. So please try continue to be cheaper than R&M. You still are, but instead of being 70-100% cheaper, now you are 30-40% cheaper only. Would my C380+ cost $6k back in 2021, I would probably pay $1-2k extra to get R&M instead, but $4.75k vs $7-8k was a big difference. Now the price difference is not that big anymoreThe Eclipse is the first Class 3 ebike with the Bosch Smart System edition of the Performance Line Speed platform with a step-through frame option.
Agree with your comments. The other bike I considered was the R&M Nevo 4 and it came down to price. For comparable specs, R&M Nevo 4 $8,145 vs. Gazelle Eclipse $6,000.With all the respect to Gazelle, I doubt it is first in US - R&M announce and made their 2024 models earlier this year, and they have i.e. Riese & Muller Nevo4 GT Vario HS bike, which is Class 3, Smart System, Performance Line Speed and Step-Through frame design. I think you don't need to be first - I always look at Gazelle as more affordable choice than R&M with comparable build and parts quality and superior history and heritage - this is why I am riding my trusty C380+ HMB. So please try continue to be cheaper than R&M. You still are, but instead of being 70-100% cheaper, now you are 30-40% cheaper only. Would my C380+ cost $6k back in 2021, I would probably pay $1-2k extra to get R&M instead, but $4.75k vs $7-8k was a big difference. Now the price difference is not that big anymore![]()
I don’t find the Bosch motor to be any more reliable than the current Specialized/Brose motor. The reality is that all e-bike motors should be better and easier to service by the end user.I just ordered one! My requirements were a Bosch 75-85 Nm motor, a Bosch 750 Wh battery, and step through design. I have a knee injury so all of these things are important to me. I also wanted a quality bike that I could rely on. I previously had a Specialized Como that had a failed motor and bad battery after only 3 1/2 years and the cost of the replacements (they won't do repairs) was prohibitive. While it is impossible to find data on reliability, I did find lots of anecdotal evidence that Gazelle and Bosch are both excellent. I am excited for my new bike and hope it lasts for many, many miles!
They don't - both are top-quality e-bike motors. Choosing one is a matter of preference (I don't think there are ebike brands offering models with both from Bosch and Brose) and availability.I don’t find the Bosch motor to be any more reliable than the current Specialized/Brose motor.