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Old Lady Katie

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Hi all, I am hoping to continue riding as I continue to enjoy aging by switching to an ebike. Ride on lots of dirt trails (not intense single track) and paved paths. My concern is that I will not be able to manage the weight of the ebikes at 60 or so pounds. Is there anything that might work at 40 or less pounds (mid-step or low even better) for less than $3,000. Thank you for your help!
 
this thread addresses your issue directly: www.electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/lightweight-and-affordable-ebikes.10796/
Also the whole bikes by category thread lightweight. www.electricbikereview.com/forums/forum/light/
Orbea comes to mind, althought they tend to head down posture.
I think cannondale had some light models, although carbon fiber is not cheap.
Picking up the bike is the big problem. I don't ever do that, I roll mine into or out of the garage. I weigh 160, it weighs 94 with all the tools, bags, water, double leg stand. I'm not strong in my arms, just my legs, but it doesn't seem a problem to me.
 
@indianajo is right, the Orbea Optima is a step-through weighing 35lb because it has a small battery and ebikemotion x35 hub motor. Two other ebikes using the same motor are the Cannondale Quick Neo SL Remixte also 35lb, and the Cannondale Treadwell that weighs 40lb because of the added commuting accessories - the EBR review of the Treadwell is worth watching to get an impression of how the system performs. There may be the possibility of adding a range extender battery on some models using this system.
 
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If you ride more on trails you might swap out the touring tires on one of these models for a Gravel tire like the Schwalbe G-One, the 50-622 size should fit on the 50x700c rim on the Orbea
 
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This one is 35.2 pounds, has 80Nm of torque & 10-speeds. The wires are thru-frame. The bag has nothing to do with the electric part. It is just storage. The second bike is a little heavier.
 

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I'm very new to this, but I've been researching this issue and a lot depends on how far you ride, under what conditions, and if you want any kind of suspension.

The bike below is a front-wheel hub conversion w/ a Clean Republic Hilltopper Sprinter, and it's 40 pounds. I'm having a great time with it, but power, torque, and range are low. It's ideal for fitness ride around my hilly neighborhood where I want to get a serious workout, but your limitations are: 9-16 mile range depending on route and how much you want to pedal, can handle a 15% grade but only with low gearing and hard work, and only minimal suspension.

I'm 63, 150 pounds, pretty fit, and 6 foot 1, so this has been great, and I'm sure I'll still use it a lot for short fitness rides, but the range issue is a problem and I'm getting my wrists and hands beaten up from potholes and cracked pavement on the roads here. I do have a Girvin Flexstem and suspension seatpost, which would be enough for once or twice a week, except now I'm riding much more than I thought I would-- as a lot of us do once we get into this, I guess! I'm also getting deeper into the park, riding at night, and going off road a bit more, so it's getting harder to see and dodge potholes, roots, etc. I'm figuring the suspension will keep me a bit safer.

I wanted a bike under 40 pounds as well, but I also didn't want to pay more than $2,000, so I wound up raising my limit and ordering a Motobecane with the smallest power plant they offer. I figure it will probably be around 48 pounds, and with some simple mods maybe I can get it down to 46. Hoping that 40 Nm of torque will be enough, and that I don't burn out the motor! At that weight, I'm hoping I can take off the battery and front wheel and still lift it into my car. May be tough-- the bike below wasn't that easy to get into the car even without the motor, when it weighed 30 pounds.

Anyway, if you want to experiment, a conversion isn't a bad solution. Note that it will be totally different from a pedal-assist, this is throttle only.
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I'm very new to this, but I've been researching this issue and a lot depends on how far you ride, under what conditions, and if you want any kind of suspension.

The bike below is a front-wheel hub conversion w/ a Clean Republic Hilltopper Sprinter, and it's 40 pounds. I'm having a great time with it, but power, torque, and range are low. It's ideal for fitness ride around my hilly neighborhood where I want to get a serious workout, but your limitations are: 9-16 mile range depending on route and how much you want to pedal, can handle a 15% grade but only with low gearing and hard work, and only minimal suspension.

I'm 63, 150 pounds, pretty fit, and 6 foot 1, so this has been great, and I'm sure I'll still use it a lot for short fitness rides, but the range issue is a problem and I'm getting my wrists and hands beaten up from potholes and cracked pavement on the roads here. I do have a Girvin Flexstem and suspension seatpost, which would be enough for once or twice a week, except now I'm riding much more than I thought I would-- as a lot of us do once we get into this, I guess! I'm also getting deeper into the park, riding at night, and going off road a bit more, so it's getting harder to see and dodge potholes, roots, etc. I'm figuring the suspension will keep me a bit safer.

I wanted a bike under 40 pounds as well, but I also didn't want to pay more than $2,000, so I wound up raising my limit and ordering a Motobecane with the smallest power plant they offer. I figure it will probably be around 48 pounds, and with some simple mods maybe I can get it down to 46. Hoping that 40 Nm of torque will be enough, and that I don't burn out the motor! At that weight, I'm hoping I can take off the battery and front wheel and still lift it into my car. May be tough-- the bike below wasn't that easy to get into the car even without the motor, when it weighed 30 pounds.

Anyway, if you want to experiment, a conversion isn't a bad solution. Note that it will be totally different from a pedal-assist, this is throttle only.
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That is a ton of information - thank you! Seems to me that a throttle would be user friendly. Read some things about the Cannondale being hard to operate.
 
If you live near Petaluma CA then Pedaluma could do a conversion of a regular bike like that for you, it is what he does.
Ariel makes a 47#, 20", non-folding bike with a powerful (98 nm) torque sensor mid drive plus throttle, good capacity battery, 7 speed internal geared hub (no derailleur to get in the way or get damaged).
$1,649, it looks like a great bike for the price compared to the competition if it is the kind of bike you are looking for. Currently out of stock but might be worth the wait.
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Thank you - do you have a model number for the lighter Specialized?
I made it for someone named Katie from a regular bike. There is no model number. And there are no ugly wires. I do local services only mostly for friends and friends of friends and do not ship. If you want some ideas of what is posable for a low-cost yet superior build take a look at PedalUma.com and then talk to a local bike mechanic. Note: Aluminum forks are not comfortable. Thank you.
 
Four-years-ago I started with BBS01s, then S02s, a few 750W TS and a HD. I am finding that less is more. I now focus on TS 36V 350W without a throttle, six-wire, no levers, no speed sensor, 45Km, 10" wheels in programing for a 29er. These bikes out run the ones from LBS. I drill and mill and seal motor housings rerouting wires. Shims. No visible wires. No external connections except to swap batteries and that is soldered and sealed.
 

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Yow, PedalU-- those are some sweet builds! I bet bikes like the green one, which looks really light, really haul ass... I have no problem believing that they blow the doors off commercial products at our local LBS. See, this is why I started with a conversion, I always expected that custom builds would have some assets that commercial bikes didn't. Stunning work, man.

Katie, here's the thing-- a throttle may seem simpler, and in some ways it is-- you need more boost, just press the lever. But for a branded, integrated E-bike, my understanding is that sometimes the throttle sometimes interacts with the pedal assistance in strange ways-- and pedal assistance is nice to have, more efficient when you're cruising along and don't want to think too much. For example, I've heard that on some bikes that are Class III, 28 MPH, if you plug in the throttle, it's automatically limited to 20 MPH Class 1. On one bike I was drooling over, the reviewer for EBR (Tyson) pointed out that in level I pedal assistance, you have throttle power limited to level 1, in level 2, it's limited to level 2, and so on. So, if you're tooling along at level 2, and hoping to use the throttle to pull you through a tight turn when the bike is leaned over and you can't pedal without a pedal strike, it won't give you that much juice.

For a conversion, or DIY, or custom build, there may be trade-offs to a throttle as well, depending on your battery. Survivor (that's the name of my Trek conversion) accelerates surprisingly fast when I put the spurs to him... but after the first month or two, I realized my range was very erratic. I did some reading on batteries, and realized the bike does have an Achilles heel-- I knew it had a very small battery (to save weight, which is great!) but small batteries are more susceptible to factors like not charging to 100%, or running the battery all the way down, or being run wide open for long periods of time-- you lose range and reduce the overall lifespan of the battery. Big batteries lose range under those conditions as well, the effect is just greater with a smaller battery (or that's my understanding, and it seems to make sense.)

So imagine that I'm climbing a long hill with some steep stretches and some flat spots. I may be ripping along uphill at 24 miles per hour-- which I'm gonna miss on my new bike, which arrives tomorrow and is a Class I-- but every minute or so, I'm thinking, "Back off the battery, you're flogging it too hard," throttling down and downshifting to rest the powerplant a little. And if my ride is over 11 miles, I'm really trying to avoid the throttle and ride it like a bike when I'm on the flats, which means I'm going as fast as possible downhill to maintain momentum... and I'm have to be more careful about doing all those things later in the ride, when I feel the power beginning to dip. (I have no gauge, so that's how I know I've only got about two or three miles left.)

Also, there are now four shift levers (for the usual gears, and I have a lot of them, 7 in back, three in front) and a throttle and a light (which has five different settings, and I use most of them-- low power at dusk, strobe for sections of road where I'm hard to see at twilight, high power at full dark and so on) and a bell, which I use on blind curves, plus two brake levers.

That's NINE controls on the handlebars! What, am I flying a plane? I mounted the throttle on the left, but that shifter is stiff, so imagine I'm going uphill, holding down the throttle slightly with the heel of my left thumb while pressing the smaller lever with the end of the same finger while downshifting with my right thumb...

Now that I'm describing it, it's actually a lot of stuff to think about. And I do have arthritis in my hands, and my thumbs do hurt after a long ride!

Nothing about EBiking is quite as simple as it seems. Figuring it out and playing to a bike's assets is part of the fun.
 
Coaster brakes do not require any hand movements to slow or stop. The first photo is more involved - it is French - just for contrast. The second photo is of my Chisel Expert conversion that eats $9600 bikes. Not too much pasta. The third is the cockpit of my three-speed with coaster brake. The Union Jack bike is so much fun to ride.
 

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Yow, PedalU-- those are some sweet builds! I bet bikes like the green one, which looks really light, really haul ass... I have no problem believing that they blow the doors off commercial products at our local LBS. See, this is why I started with a conversion, I always expected that custom builds would have some assets that commercial bikes didn't. Stunning work, man.

Katie, here's the thing-- a throttle may seem simpler, and in some ways it is-- you need more boost, just press the lever. But for a branded, integrated E-bike, my understanding is that sometimes the throttle sometimes interacts with the pedal assistance in strange ways-- and pedal assistance is nice to have, more efficient when you're cruising along and don't want to think too much. For example, I've heard that on some bikes that are Class III, 28 MPH, if you plug in the throttle, it's automatically limited to 20 MPH Class 1. On one bike I was drooling over, the reviewer for EBR (Tyson) pointed out that in level I pedal assistance, you have throttle power limited to level 1, in level 2, it's limited to level 2, and so on. So, if you're tooling along at level 2, and hoping to use the throttle to pull you through a tight turn when the bike is leaned over and you can't pedal without a pedal strike, it won't give you that much juice.

For a conversion, or DIY, or custom build, there may be trade-offs to a throttle as well, depending on your battery. Survivor (that's the name of my Trek conversion) accelerates surprisingly fast when I put the spurs to him... but after the first month or two, I realized my range was very erratic. I did some reading on batteries, and realized the bike does have an Achilles heel-- I knew it had a very small battery (to save weight, which is great!) but small batteries are more susceptible to factors like not charging to 100%, or running the battery all the way down, or being run wide open for long periods of time-- you lose range and reduce the overall lifespan of the battery. Big batteries lose range under those conditions as well, the effect is just greater with a smaller battery (or that's my understanding, and it seems to make sense.)

So imagine that I'm climbing a long hill with some steep stretches and some flat spots. I may be ripping along uphill at 24 miles per hour-- which I'm gonna miss on my new bike, which arrives tomorrow and is a Class I-- but every minute or so, I'm thinking, "Back off the battery, you're flogging it too hard," throttling down and downshifting to rest the powerplant a little. And if my ride is over 11 miles, I'm really trying to avoid the throttle and ride it like a bike when I'm on the flats, which means I'm going as fast as possible downhill to maintain momentum... and I'm have to be more careful about doing all those things later in the ride, when I feel the power beginning to dip. (I have no gauge, so that's how I know I've only got about two or three miles left.)

Also, there are now four shift levers (for the usual gears, and I have a lot of them, 7 in back, three in front) and a throttle and a light (which has five different settings, and I use most of them-- low power at dusk, strobe for sections of road where I'm hard to see at twilight, high power at full dark and so on) and a bell, which I use on blind curves, plus two brake levers.

That's NINE controls on the handlebars! What, am I flying a plane? I mounted the throttle on the left, but that shifter is stiff, so imagine I'm going uphill, holding down the throttle slightly with the heel of my left thumb while pressing the smaller lever with the end of the same finger while downshifting with my right thumb...

Now that I'm describing it, it's actually a lot of stuff to think about. And I do have arthritis in my hands, and my thumbs do hurt after a long ride!

Nothing about EBiking is quite as simple as it seems. Figuring it out and playing to a bike's assets is part of the fun.
Catalyzt,
Thank you for all of that information. The parts of it that I understand make a lot of sense. So easy to get in over my head! I have no interest in speed. Really just want to ride further than I can now and get some help up hills to make things more pleasant instead of complete gasping. I do want to be pedaling! I want to ride for perhaps 25 miles at a time and improve my fitness so that I can rely less on assistance as I get stronger. Also want a walkable bike and something that is not ridiculously heavy so that I can manage it. The reviews on the Canondale mention that you have to remove a hand from the handlebars to use the assist functions - that sounds like a disaster waiting to happen! Your comments make sense that a throttle may not be what I have pictured in my head. Gives me more to think about, I appreciate your input!
 
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