Is the Creo the lightest bike with Class 3 and assist buttons?

[kattanm]

I don’t see another e-road bike that provides assist up to 28mph and has the ability to control the assist provided by the motor from the drops of the bars (with the added assist buttons). I guess more specifically, show me a lighter bike that doesn’t look like it has a terrible lump in its down tube with these features…

 

[mschwett]

the lemond prolog is lighter, with similar torque and a slightly smaller battery. very similar button on the top tube to cycle through assist levels. but it’s a fitness bike, straight bar, 20mph instead of 28, rear drive vs mid, etc. they supposedly have a road version coming which will likely be even lighter, but otherwise the same. looks like a really nice bike.

there are variations on the orbea gain which go down to 25 pounds, but with basically the same parameters of the prolog, using the same mahle drive system. button on top tube to select assist level, 20mph max, 250w internal battery.

i’d be very curious to ride either of them, i’m guessing 40nm directly at the rear wheel feels like more power than the creo’s 35nm at the crank, before gearing…

 

[eddief]

Calfee, a custom carbon frame builder in CA is doing ebike retrofits. Granted the retro will only be as light as the parts they add plus the weight of your existing bike...but they do use their own version of remote buttons tucked into the inside surfaces at the sides of the hoods. Their retrofit integration is surprisingly elegant and works as smoothly as my Turbo Creo.

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[RunForTheHills]

If you have the budget, the sky is the limit.

 

[Ebiker01]

Way lighter and a lot more powerfull+bigger battery :

CORE RACE CARBON 1.9 PRO

www.bhbikes.com

It would have to be ordered through any of the remaining dealers in the US.

Honestly I would just go with the Trek Domane + HP. 6lbs heavier then Creo, 85nm vs 35nm , 500wh+500wh optional pack .

 

[kattanm]

Do any of these assist to 28 though? And no thanks to a bike heavier than Creo, but I would go lighter if 28mph

 

[mschwett]

Do any of these assist to 28 though? And no thanks to a bike heavier than Creo, but I would go lighter if 28mph

unless i’m mistaken (could be!) the core states compliance with the DIN 15194, which means a cutoff at 25kph.

https://www.bhbikes.com/download/bancorecursos/EC%20Conformity-Rev14.pdf

 

[Ebiker01]

The BH Core could be delimited with a Speedbox . Might be done also upon request by the company if it’s heading for the Us market. That i should find out.

 

[mschwett]

The BH Core could be delimited with a Speedbox . Might be done also upon request by the company if it’s heading for the Us market. That i should find out.

very interesting bike! i would love to ride one back to back with a creo on a serious ride.

 

[rich c]

I was looking at lightweight class 3 urban eBikes. I rode two different class 3 Haibikes previously, and still have them. I bought a class 1 BMC City Ltd. that is less than 38 pounds. On my 10.5 mile daily exercise loop, I've knocked 2 minutes off my time with the BMC. Convinced me that I made the right decision and that I really didn't need the class 3. The Shimano STEPS has a lot less drag than my generation of Bosch motors, and I can ride at 22mph on the flat without a lot of effort.

 

[jodi2]

You should add, that you're talking about a US Creo Version, only sold in the US. Unfortunately there's no 28mph Creo in the rest of the world, normally only 16mph and 20mph in very few countries like Canada.

Also I wouldn't compare a standard/mass ebike with an indidivual luxury high-end built-up. If money doesn't matter, or if ebike or drive is very cheap and you can maintain everything on your own (for example with cheap china parts), fine. If not I would always choose a big bike and drive company with quite a number of drives.
I know several premium frame&bike builders here in Europe, which are absolutely great for normal bikes/without motor. And you buy the frame/bike and may never see the producer again in 20 years. With an ebike the product is more complex/needs more maintenance, is less "DIY" and the life cycle is much shorter. Several of the premium builders here started with ebikes here a few years ago. Of course not with the standard Bosch drives (which seemed inappropriate for an expensive exclusive bike) but with more exclusive smaller drive brands, supposed to be better. The drive brand was so small and exclusive, that many of them died a few years later and the bike/frame builders alone can't offer maintenance or spare parts of drive and electronics. If your drive on the exclusive ebike from the premium builder still works fine, great. If not you soon had a piece of exclusive scrap. And our ebikes (overall six in the last 9 years) all needed a visit to the LBS or producer due to some problems to the drives sooner or later.
So if it's my dream, I may spend 10-15000 dollar for an exclusive normal bike from a small bike builder. For an ebike I may spend that money for a Creo S-Works, but never for an e-bike from a small poducer.