Is anyone trying to solve charging on the road?

I did not know that Co-Motion offers any type of electric option. Are you sure, or are you confusing CM with a different bike builder?
Yeah, it wasn't Co-Motion and I can't even find a mid-drive motor company associated with Oregon. I sure thought it was there... the reason I turned away from them was the motor had no PAS. I use the throttle a lot of the time. To speed up, to take a breather at 20+ mph and not lose momentum and have to grind it back up to speed, to charge up hills way faster than I need to. I use it to bump the speed a couple more mph over what the PAS is set at. The BaFang really just uses an on-off switch for the assist, pedal and it's on... no torque sensor at all. I am sure that most production ebike manufactures see that as a flaw or undesirable somehow, much as I see a motor that uses Only a PAS as flawed. I like having the option of using either PAS or throttle Or both at the same time. I can apply them in any manner that stretches out my range more. I also want to be able to move without turning the cranks both at high speed (20+) mph or very slow speeds (3 to 5) mph. It can be fun carrying on a short conversation with someone that's walking... ride up, turn down the music, chat for a while as they walk along, bid adieu, ride away and turn the music back up. I can get a more stable footing at times when riding slowly and standing on a pedal with my center of gravity as low as possible and not gyrating the weight of my legs. At very high speeds when I simply can't add any additional speed by peddling just trying to can be dangerous, even more so in traffic. But other than resting for a few seconds at high speed and trying for stability at very low speed like heavily populated pedestrian paths and parks, I am always peddling when I use the throttle.

And since people are going to freak out I'm off-topic I'd like to reiterate that a 300W folding solar panel works great for charging all my electronics to include the lithium packs. SunCapture... expensive and heavy but I don't feel like a gypsey on dialysis anymore... well, not in the summer anyway.
 
I have worked in a bike shop for 15 years, and sole e-bikes that entire time. Lack of research wasn't my issue. Time on the bike is the best teacher.

And yes, this thread seems to not want to stay on topic! :p
I beg to differ. I believe I did it right the 1st time to my parameters (which would suit everyone else's needs for the most part also other than cost) in wanting an ebike for touring and I had none of your vast ebike shop expertise. I am very good at learning from the mistakes of others and always have been. Maybe that's why I try to show people a better way than just picking out the closest production ebike to what they want and living with all their limitations.

Soooooooooooooo, Satiator and SunCapture 300W folding solar panel for on the road charging. One needs a 120/220V outlet and the other doesn't. I have no problem staying on topic, I just wander.
 
Great info on foldable panel....perfect for Boondocking :)
Not perfect... it's heavy 17 lbs., and it's expensive $2400, I bought mine last year on Black Friday at 1/2 price. I saw this guy in some web search. I contacted him and we talked a little about the panel. I knew I had wanted one before talking but he just reinforced it. He had a special mount designed to carry the panel in place of a front pannier. If I was going to invest in one (even at 1/2 price) I wanted it to be as safe as possible while moving... enter CycleFab LLC Seattle. They (Colin) took my Tout Terrain Mule trailer and made almost exactly what I had envisioned and even put a few spins on it that I couldn't see in my mind. When I end up laying both of them down somewhere TBD at a later date (I shudder at the thought) the panel should go unscathed. <fingers crossed!!!!> Weather depending it allows me to take stretches of road and trails that I couldn't without digging in and researching every tiny detail and begging power. I will ride up and ask someone for a glass of water any time but asking for 3 or 4 hours recharge is a lot even for me. I get lost a lot. I will pack everything up and get ready for a long ride and end up camping 3 miles down the road sometimes. Or the reverse, do a long ride and not be able to find anywhere I want to stop for the night and have to ride at night, not a big fan it takes too much power to light the road up the way I really want. A pair of 30Ah packs with the panel to back them up gives me more confidence, so when they find my body I will probably be way in the hell out in the middle of nowhere.
 

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Actually it's lighter than my Renogy 100w and like I stated it would be used with my Goal Zero Yeti that sits in my Subaru. I would plug my charger into the Yeti . So my research was done for a different application. I am impressed at your set up. The nice thing about Prime...no workee-no keepee :)
 
I beg to differ. I believe I did it right the 1st time to my parameters (which would suit everyone else's needs for the most part also other than cost) in wanting an ebike for touring and I had none of your vast ebike shop expertise. I am very good at learning from the mistakes of others and always have been. Maybe that's why I try to show people a better way than just picking out the closest production ebike to what they want and living with all their limitations.

Soooooooooooooo, Satiator and SunCapture 300W folding solar panel for on the road charging. One needs a 120/220V outlet and the other doesn't. I have no problem staying on topic, I just wander.

How is that begging to differ? I wasn't saying you didn't do it right on your first try, I was saying that had I gone all-out on my first try I wouldn't have ended up with the same bike I'm hoping to get now. I was well researched, and I frequently help customers get e-bikes that they're very happy with. But I'm a bike enthusiast and I'm pretty particular and willing to invest more than the average consumer. And with experience comes a finer understanding of what I want (and don't want). It also makes a difference that newer brands are becoming available to us, so my options have expanded since my first e-bike.

And again, there are limitations all around. You make it sound like only production e-bikes have limitations, but that's not true. The do-it-yourself builds have their own limitations, one of which is that they tend to be quite a bit heavier. I want to pedal and pedal hard, but I want to also feel like I'm getting a lot out of all that pedalling. I don't want to feel like I'm pedalling hard and getting very little out of it in part because of the bike's weight.
 
How is that begging to differ?...

The do-it-yourself builds have their own limitations, one of which is that they tend to be quite a bit heavier.
"Lack of research wasn't my issue." I believe it was, that's all. Does everybody just agree with anything said here?

Buy a Unno Aora (Frame 970g), hang a BBS02 on it at 8 lbs., add a cute little 12Ah battery at whatever they weigh with their hard little cases and Voilà that instantly gives you a bike closer to what you have referenced although its varies a little depending on topic, and look, I just made probably the lightest ebike in the world. Buying more than one ebike, to find the one you are happy with... "In My Opinion" means a lack of focus and/or lack of research before purchase.
 
"Lack of research wasn't my issue." I believe it was, that's all. Does everybody just agree with anything said here?

Buy a Unno Aora (Frame 970g), hang a BBS02 on it at 8 lbs., add a cute little 12Ah battery at whatever they weigh with their hard little cases and Voilà that instantly gives you a bike closer to what you have referenced although its varies a little depending on topic, and look, I just made probably the lightest ebike in the world. Buying more than one ebike, to find the one you are happy with... "In My Opinion" means a lack of focus and/or lack of research before purchase.

I can't research my way into an *experienced* opinion. I knew what was on the market, but I wasn't sure what *I* wanted yet. Did I want a flat bar or a drop bar? A rigid fork or a suspension fork? How much extra was I willing to pay to save how much weight?

I was well versed in what was on the market, but unsure yet of what I wanted. What I hear you saying is that I just didn't try hard enough to know what I wanted. If so, I beg to differ.
 
What I hear you saying is that I just didn't try hard enough to know what I wanted. If so, I beg to differ.
There ya go! Screw me! I think your wrong (dead wrong) but that doesn't matter, you think your right and that ALL that matters! Damn it! It's your money for heaven-sake! If you want to throw it away on bike after bike after bike that's your prerogative.

One last thing and you can tell me to piss off for the night... all components aren't equal. You may not know what bars you want, although I did... I have changed my seat for instance. But if you start out picking the right frame you can literally change every other component if necessary to fine-tune it to specifically what you want. You seem to think that you will magically find the right bike after buying them like you would a new pair of underwear and hoping the fit is right (I couldn't really think of anything good). The beauty of upgrading a bike with a mid-drive means you CAN have the bike you want... unless you don't know what you want. I did, I researched and thought about every aspect I had control over and built my dream bike when I know there isn't a production bike on the planet like it, not even the pale imitation that Tout Terrain sells themselves now. Good luck with the search companies are making new and special flavors every year, it's only time... and money.

Stay safe.
 
There ya go! Screw me! I think your wrong (dead wrong) but that doesn't matter, you think your right and that ALL that matters! Damn it! It's your money for heaven-sake! If you want to throw it away on bike after bike after bike that's your prerogative.

One last thing and you can tell me to piss off for the night... all components aren't equal. You may not know what bars you want, although I did... I have changed my seat for instance. But if you start out picking the right frame you can literally change every other component if necessary to fine-tune it to specifically what you want. You seem to think that you will magically find the right bike after buying them like you would a new pair of underwear and hoping the fit is right (I couldn't really think of anything good). The beauty of upgrading a bike with a mid-drive means you CAN have the bike you want... unless you don't know what you want. I did, I researched and thought about every aspect I had control over and built my dream bike when I know there isn't a production bike on the planet like it, not even the pale imitation that Tout Terrain sells themselves now. Good luck with the search companies are making new and special flavors every year, it's only time... and money.

Stay safe.

I appreciate your impassioned contributions to this forum, but some of the language in your post is pretty unnecessary and unhelpful IMO. I'm certainly not going to tell you to go screw yourself or go piss off, or any of those other things.

Anyway... 9 months ago, if I was buying/making the e-bike of my dreams it would have had a drop-style handlebar (as are common on road bikes). After years of riding on a flat handlebar, I decided to get more experience on a drop bar this spring/summer and was really enjoying it! But by the autumn I had developed tendonitis in part because of the switch to the drop bar. So now I'm back to riding a flat bar for the foreseeable future. That's a non-trivial switch, because you not only have to change the bars and swap to grips, but you also need to replace gears, brakes, levers, cables, housing, etc., at substantial total expense.

That handlebar change wasn't a lack of research on my part, it was a lack of experience with a drop bar. Initially I enjoyed the multiple hand positions and the superior aerodynamics, but my tendons weren't in agreement with the rest of my body.

And the bike I'm looking at has a 10mm elastomer-based vibration dampener in the rear end of the frame that I think will improve the ride quality, and can't be completely compensated for by any other system (a suspension seatpost or other vibration dampener can work with this system, so therefore would complement this rather than replace it).

So may I humbly suggest that you're falling into the trap of thinking that everything that's true of your situation is true of everyone's. That your ability to research and be certain of your wants/needs/desires is the equal of everyone else's. I think it was greater than many other people's.

I know what's right for me isn't right for everyone, my day job is to help people figure out what their cycling needs are and there are a dizzying array of different cycling needs out there. And sometimes people are certain of how they're going to use their bike, and sometimes they're not yet entirely certain and part of the joy is going to be figuring that out.

You said it yourself, you knew what you wanted this bike to primarily be for: touring. You then said it was a lack of focus and research on my part that I couldn't do the same. Except I was coming into this cold, I barely road my bicycle in 2017 or 2018. I first had to reconnect with my love of cycling. I had to establish what I was primarily going to use the bike for. Now that I've nailed that down, *now* I can select the perfect bike for my needs again as I've now caught up to where you are. I didn't need to come up to your level of focus and research, I had to come up to your level of certainty about how you were going to use the thing.

No telling anyone to "piss off" required.
 
It's the difference between having a good picture of what you want and how to get it, vs having a good strategy for entry into a new area. I was in the category of not knowing enough and having never ridden any e-bike. Buying ready-made was a good option for me, and looking back I am satisfied that I took that route. Now I have a lot more insight as to what I want if i was to pick and choose and have it all assembled and tuned. Certainly would not be in the budget, though.
 
This thread has convinced me to just buy another battery, 20Ah, or maybe even 2.
That's the difference between a solution and a workable option. Solutions aren't even happening.
 
I have two, a 48V and a 52V. I dislike them for the size and weight. Each is over 100 cells, more than 10lbs. But if a rider needs the mileage, there are none better than the BT D-Powercore BMS EM3ev batteries in hard shells. Newer cells can provide the same power with fewer cells. Like the 35E with 84 cells to make 20Ah.
 

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I have two, a 48V and a 52V. I dislike them for the size and weight. Each is over 100 cells, more than 10lbs. But if a rider needs the mileage, there are none better than the BT D-Powercore BMS EM3ev batteries in hard shells. Newer cells can provide the same power with fewer cells. Like the 35E with 84 cells to make 20Ah.
the 35E with 84 cells to make 20Ah.
That's the cell I have in mind. Since I neither have nor want bluetooth devices BT control does me no good. I'd be buying a battery with a large Reention Dorado case.
 
That's the cell I have in mind. Since I neither have nor want bluetooth devices BT control does me no good.
No BT "control" just the ability to get an accurate picture of cell condition and overall pack health. For DIY fellas it's a great tool.
 
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