Lovely!I climb my geared 750w hub to pretty well its limit off-road up mountains and run it at 2kw, this requires short fast bursts of around 30 seconds before it overheats, but it does cover a lot of ground during that.
The same track, my stock bbshd just tootles up in the same time, is far more controllable as I'm not desperately trying to keep the speed going, not the slightest bit of overheating and uses less battery doing it.
I can also run full size wheels with a larger contact area.
The bit starting at 5.40 in this video would be impossible on a hub, you need crawler gear control.
TBh, I couldn't possibly imagine taking my hub up there, the effort reqd to keep it spinning is beyond me.
None of that matters, though. Objectively you can just sit and watch how a hub motor'd bike operates on a steady, fairly steep hill. And if you stick with the video long enough you can see the same story repeat itself 14 times. If thats what someone wants in a hill-climbing ebike then by all means go buy one.He calls these the most powerful 14 for under $2000. Is it coincidence that each of them agreed to pay him a kickback on sales?
Irrelevant. Saddle height affects pedaling which is not a part of the test of the bike's ability, on its own. Thats why using the same hill every time, and flat out throttle-only, is so important. Pedaling and muscle introduces variables that ruin the test of the bike.Some don't even have adjustable saddle heights.
This too seems irrelevant. The point is you are seeing how a singlespeed motor handles a steady grade (over and over again).In a little box on a bike, I can carry the stuff I need to measure a grade in a couple of minutes, but he didn't measure the grade. None or all those bikes could be adequate for Rexlion.
He sure did, and he saidAnyway, the test used throttle only, but Rexlion asked about PAS.
Which seems very clear.I enjoy bicycling, but if I wanted to work my tail off during the climbsI'd just ride an acoustic!
No. PAS does not give more assist than full throttle, and if someone wants more than what you see in the video, they will have to work their tail off. Simple.By "steep," Rexlion means he'd rather use PAS than tire himself out.
exactly this!Test both hub and mid-drive systems to see which feels better for climbing.
It *should* be possible to put the mid on the highest PAS which will in turn make the climb easy. That will also eat more battery so the decision on-bike if its the right one for the job be centered around dialing back the assist to the point where you have the option to get the effort output you choose to exert, and not drain the bejesus out of the battery doing it.I would be pedaling with PAS, not using the throttle. I don't mind working along with the motor, I just don't want to work hard enough to make my legs feel like jelly.
Exactly the thing to do, yep! This morning I did exactly that.Test both hub and mid-drive systems to see which feels better for climbing.
I agree, and I don't "lazy pedal" either.Try some mid-drive motor different from Bafang on a good e-bike
We know what the peak power is on a good brand mid-drive motor. A good e-bike will also have a proper gearing.
Note: With any mid-drive motor e-bike, you need to be in a gear as low as to maintain a proper cadence of >70. If you expect a mid-drive e-bike would just lift you uphill with a lazy pedalling then it is not going to happen![]()
I think you've read an assumption into what I wrote. You might want to read my initial post again, because I never stated dissatisfaction with the climbing ability of my current ebike; I only asked how a mid drive would compare because if I buy a mid drive I don't want less climbing ability than what I now have, if anything I'd like more. I had visions of pedaling up Mount Cadillac in Acadia NP rather than driving (but now I've pretty much abandoned that thought), if I take a vacation there this summer.Your other bike will take you up a grassy 15% slope at 17 mph, and you seemed dissatisfied in your first post. I don’t know why.
Well. Sorry for the misunderstanding. So I'll try to be as thorough as possible in laying out the situation. Of course I pedaled both as hard as possible for comparison. And the R1Up was easier on the legs because I reached the top of the hill in less than half the time. Do I have to also mention that I additionally tried the hill with my R1Up at a slower speed and lower gear, which of course was easier on the legs, too? Because obviously, pedaling at slower speeds and lower gears is easier than pedaling at higher speeds and in higher gears. I didn't think I needed to spell that out. Instead I tried to give the apples-to-apples comparison as best I could.You said if you wanted to work your butt off on hills, you'd ride an acoustic. Weren't you wondering if the Ago T would take you up hills more easily than your current bike? Yes. Otherwise, why would you want it? There are several considerations.
You asked which would pedal up a hill more easily, but you pedaled as hard as possible to compare the bikes. It seems your question was not what would take you up a hill more easily but what would go faster. I often climb at 8 mph, rather than work my butt off or depend on PAS.
Yeah, I lack the first two! I'm a mediocre sprinter, and incapable on the long haul!, the legal bike tore away, a combination of fit, skilled rider, using the power and gears effectively.