I have been unsuccessful getting my pedal power data from my Creo to display on my Garmin Edge 1030. I have done a sensor search and found a power sensor from the Creo but when I connect all it displays is the remaining battery (minus the % sign). I do not have the Creo itself paired as an ebike sensor, however I have a 3rd party data field that provides remaining battery and assist mode, even when the Creo itself isn't paired. So what am I missing?
Getting Creo Power data on Garmin Edge
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Stefan Mikes
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Strange. Could you "forget" your Creo as a sensor and pair it again? Cadence and Power data come first from the Creo. What Data Field do you use?
Note: To make use of Garmin you have to pair your Creo as a Sensor!
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Above is the data field I use and a screenshot of the first Edge screen. LEV Battery % and Assist mode are displayed even when the Creo itself is not paired. Garmin detects a new power sensor from the Creo but it merely mirrors the LEV battery%. I then removed the Creo power sensor and repaired but same result. I do not have the Creo itself paired. I thought this may have had something to do with the false channel setting in Mission Control and set that to power but no luck.
Stefan Mikes
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AFAIK, the Fake Channel shall be off. Why don't you simply pair your Creo as a Sensor? My brother did it for his Giant Trance E+, no Fake Channel option with his e-bike, the same Data Field and everything works fine with his Garmin. With my Vado SL and Wahoo, I didn't touch the Fake Channel, just connected my e-bike as a Sensor and no issues.
Interestingly, I had my Creo previously paired although I disabled it after I loaded the 3rd party field as it provided all the data I needed on smaller real estate. I was unable to reconnect to the Creo, removed it but it was not found when I searched. However, Garmin did find the Creo speed/ cadence and power sensor again. After I disabled the fake channel it seemed to display non-zero power numbers when I was spinning the pedals on a stand.
Allan47.7339
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I don't use the IQ app "E-Bike Edge MulitField". I have the power meter and ebike sensors paired and I have power meter 3s and total battery on the data screen. I normally ride in the map screen with 3s power and speed displayed. I just glance down at the TCU if I'm not sure what assist mode I am in. I rename the sensors in the list so I can tell which sensor is on the Creo vs my other bike's speed sensors and power meters. I have a 1030 and 1030 plus with the same set up. I use the 1030 on the Turbo S errand bike but keep it ready to step in for use on the Creo.
edit - If you look at he github readme file for the app there is a note "This data field cannot be used with other LEV/E-Bike data fields, only one LEV/E-Bike data field can be displayed on a data screen. In case your Garmin device supports EBike connection via Sensors menu, it must be disconnected from there." I assume this means you can't connect to the ebike in the Garmin sensor screen but you could connect to the power meter but it has to be on one of the other data screens?
edit - If you look at he github readme file for the app there is a note "This data field cannot be used with other LEV/E-Bike data fields, only one LEV/E-Bike data field can be displayed on a data screen. In case your Garmin device supports EBike connection via Sensors menu, it must be disconnected from there." I assume this means you can't connect to the ebike in the Garmin sensor screen but you could connect to the power meter but it has to be on one of the other data screens?
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Aha, the inability to find the Creo with the LEVO E-bike field enabled now makes sense. I never lost the ability to find the Creo power meter. It appears that having the fake channel enabled in Mission Control blocked the Creo from transmitting power data and it merely displayed battery percentage. I have not road tested this yet but spinning the cranks on a stand got power numbers in the range of 8-12 watts so I believe this may have provided a fix. Will keep you up to date but I may not have an opportunity to road test before this weekend. I have no need to connect to the Creo itself as I have all the data I need on more configurable screens with E-Bike MultiField provided power measurement works.
Stefan Mikes
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I will check everything with Vado SL and Garmin Edge 530 tomorrow. As far as I can remember Wahoo receives the Rider's Power all the time as long as the system is on.
Thank you, and to confirm would your definition of the system being on mean that the TCU is on but the bike is set at 0 power assist mode? Or is the system only considered on when it's providing at least the first level of power assist?
Stefan Mikes
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Allan47.7339
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The bike must have the system power activated and be in one of the assist modes OFF, ECO, SPORT, TURBO or SMART to send data. It is unfortunate that "off" can mean either "system power off" or "assist mode off". I find that I need to start the bike first before starting to record the ride. Recent ride I was using the Garmin to navigate but did not have the bike system on because I was starting on a flat trail. When I turned the bike system on, the Garmin did not find the Creo until I stopped and restarted the navigation. I was riding with a group so I had to wait until the first stop. The first segment did not have any Creo data other than what the Garmin GPS recorded.
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Calcoaster
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Yes, my garmin 130 plus does show my power in all assist modes, including no assist (power on but without assist).
So I can now confirm that on a short test ride this works. Setup is Ebike multifield (LEV connection) , Fake Channel OFF in Mission Control , Creo / Ebike sensor disabled, pair to Creo power sensor. Of course if you want to use Creo / Ebike sensor you would need to disable the Ebike multifield as it cannot pull data simultaneously from the Creo and LEV connection for the multifield. I did this test ride in the underground garage in my building. No GPS signal and hence no actual speed or distance recorded.
Stefan Mikes
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That explains all (no need for me to ride to my brother in Warsaw to test). (Brother connects his Giant e-bike as Sensor and does not use the E-Bike Multifield).
Just completed a 60 mile ride with the above setup and had no data drops. My sense is that the power numbers from the Creo may be a bit inflated. Looked at my Garmin normalized power numbers and I should not be feeling this energetic now.
Allan47.7339
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The power readings are not exactly the same. See post #6:
Power calibration on Creo
Does anyone have any insight as to how accurate the power readings are from the Creo? My Garmin detects power, but won't allow me to calibrate the power meter. The numbers I see for my power output while riding seem pleasantly high - but I am not sure they are accurate compared to what I am...
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I haven't felt the need to put on the power pedals and compare exactly but it seems close enough for riding an e-bike. If we were worried about whether we got 1, 2 or 3 per cent accuracy we'd probably be on a different bike. You probably had some less effort at times on the ride with the Creo than you would have had if you had been on another bike.
Yes, I undoubtedly had periods with less effort and from my past experience with a Powertap hub, the normalized power from the Creo was not something I could sustain for 4 hours. Not bemoaning the accuracy given that it is not a power meter, just my observation.The power readings are not exactly the same. See post #6:
Power calibration on Creo
Does anyone have any insight as to how accurate the power readings are from the Creo? My Garmin detects power, but won't allow me to calibrate the power meter. The numbers I see for my power output while riding seem pleasantly high - but I am not sure they are accurate compared to what I am...
I haven't felt the need to put on the power pedals and compare exactly but it seems close enough for riding an e-bike. If we were worried about whether we got 1, 2 or 3 per cent accuracy we'd probably be on a different bike. You probably had some less effort at times on the ride with the Creo than you would have had if you had been on another bike.
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