Ebike touring recommendations 120 km a day range with a 150 kg (bike+ rider luggage) and 750-800 wh battery or 2 batteries 750-800 wh batteries

[PedalUma]

@warek437, Click here to download the user's manual to see what is programable. I like the small and lightweight 500 watt motor. For instalation tips see the thread: https://forums.electricbikereview.com/threads/clean-custom-conversions.58798/

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[jabberwocky]

What sort of touring? Unsupported? Did you want flat bars or drops? Whats your anticipated load like?

A few criticisms of the Creo four touring is that 1: it lacks the sorts of mounts tourers usually want, and 2: Specs SL motor doesn't have the best reliability record (which is somewhat offset by generally good service, but that doesn't help if you're on a tour and it craps out). I also don't know why you'd buy a bike with a 320whr battery for touring, even if you can carry a bunch of range extenders. Its a solid lightweight e-road, but definitely not designed with multi day loaded tours in mind. Chainstays are decently long but not quite at dedicated touring bike, so you'd want to confirm that your shoe size/rack/pannier setup works (a shorter rear triangle plus large feet and large touring panniers sometimes means your heels hit the bags as you pedal). Angles are more to the road size (70+ head angle, 80mm BB drop) so it may not be as stable as a flat bar city bike like your Gazelle or a dedicated touring bike once you load 15+kg onto it. Test ride one at least. See if the dealer will put a rack on it and hang some panniers with weight in them to see how it performs.

Not sure about Austrailia availability, but Salsa makes the Tributary, which is a dedicated ebike drop bar tourer. Bulls Machete Evo SX2? Any Bosch bike you look at, make sure it accepts their range extender. Older motors don't.

If you want to stick with flat bars you have a lot more options.

 

[warek437]

Local Bosch dealers telling, has much more support in Australia as Bosch has a headquarters in Melbourne. I am looking for flat bat tourer. People come in with expensive bike that is broken and can’t get parts 2 years later

Will explore aftermarket ebike conversion ro steel framed touring bike that I already have as part of my research

cheers

kevin

 

[PedalUma]

steel framed touring

Those Pashley Prosperos have touring/bike packing geo and bosses. They come in flat, backswept, and drop gravel bars. And with or without fenders. The quality is top notch with Shimano GRX in a wide range one-by. I have converted three so far. And I totally get it about already having a bike you love. Y will save a ton and have a better bike than from stores.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

While I said "No" to the Creo 2 in the role of a heavily loaded bikepacking e-bike, you seem to be greatly misinformed. We are talking Creo 2, not the older Creo 1.

A few criticisms of the Creo four touring is that 1: it lacks the sorts of mounts tourers usually want,

Creo 2 as a gravel e-bike has all the types of mounts you'd expect from a touring bike.

and 2: Specs SL motor doesn't have the best reliability record (which is somewhat offset by generally good service, but that doesn't help if you're on a tour and it craps out).

You have no service records or even rumours for the SL 1.2 motor reliability used in Creo 2

I also don't know why you'd buy a bike with a 320whr battery for touring, even if you can carry a bunch of range extenders.

Because Creo 2 is lightweight when you need it to be lightweight. Any extra Range Extender is 1.00 kg.

Its a solid lightweight e-road, but definitely not designed with multi day loaded tours in mind.

Creo 2 is a gravel (not a road) e-bike. Its clearances are up to 55 mm tyres. Why didn't you mention that? Because you were talking of Creo 1?

Please do not spread the misinformation.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

While I said "No" to the Creo 2 in the role of a heavily loaded bikepacking e-bike, you seem to be greatly misinformed. We are talking Creo 2, not the older Creo 1.

Creo 2 as a gravel e-bike has all the types of mounts you'd expect from a touring bike.

While the Creo 2 is one of the rare e-bikes where the front fork has twin bosses to mount a front rack, it lacks the three-pack bosses you'd need to securely mount cages.
Generally the most reliable way to spot a bike intended for bicycle travel is seeing bosses on the front fork.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

While the Creo 2 is one of the rare e-bikes where the front fork has twin bosses to mount a front rack, it lacks the three-pack bosses you'd need to securely mount cages.

Gravel cyclists often mount water bottle cages on both sides of the fork but not the rack.

A gravel racer on a 1,433 Atlas Mountain Race, Morocco, happening right now. Is this bike-packing? No, it isn't.

Atlas Mountain Race 2026 - MAProgress

 

[jabberwocky]

While I said "No" to the Creo 2 in the role of a heavily loaded bikepacking e-bike, you seem to be greatly misinformed. We are talking Creo 2, not the older Creo 1.

Creo 2 as a gravel e-bike has all the types of mounts you'd expect from a touring bike.

I'm talking about the Creo 2. AFIAK Specialized has not sold the original Creo for years. It does not have all the mounts you'd get on a touring bike (lol? can't tell if you're joking). It doesn't even have upper mounts for a standard rear rack. I'm sure you can kludge something together with a post clamp, but no self respecting touring bike would omit those. It also doesn't have mounts for bottles + front rack, and it lacks frame mounts for bags (triangle/gas tank). Whether that matters depends on what you want to carry and how you intend on carrying it, but its a (IMO) mystifying recommendation for someone whose stated purpose is 5-7 day tours carrying 15kg+. Its very obviously not even remotely designed for that.

You have no service records or even rumours for the SL 1.2 motor reliability used in Creo 2

Because Creo 2 is lightweight when you need it to be lightweight. Any extra Range Extender is 1.00 kg.

I do have friends with Creo 2s. I don't think any are on their original motor. Some are on their third. Maybe the people I know are just unlucky, but IMO I wouldn't go for an ultralite low power motor for a 100+kg rider intending to do 5-7 day tours. Zero reason to even consider that, especially paired with a small battery. I'm sure you can, but... why would you?

Theres a reason that bike touring is the last refuge of bar end shifters. The reliability considerations are very different when you're planning on week long rides, where a mechanical you can't repair on the side of the road means you don't get to finish your ride that you spent potentially months planning.

Creo 2 is a gravel (not a road) e-bike. Its clearances are up to 55 mm tyres. Why didn't you mention that? Because you were talking of Creo 1?

Please do not spread the misinformation.

There is much more to suitability for task than tire clearance.

 

[Aushiker]

Not sure about Austrailia availability, but Salsa makes the Tributary, which is a dedicated ebike drop bar tourer. Bulls Machete Evo SX2? Any Bosch bike you look at, make sure it accepts their range extender. Older motors don't.

As far as I can find out, it is not sold in Australia. I did email the distributor about it last year, but got no response. I guess that says it all really.

 

[Aushiker]

While the Creo 2 is one of the rare e-bikes where the front fork has twin bosses to mount a front rack, it lacks the three-pack bosses you'd need to securely mount cages

This can be addressed by using alternatives such as the Orlieb Fork Pack 4.1 Litre or the 5.8 litre. I have a pair of 4.1-litre packs fitted to my R&M Supercharger and have not experienced any issues bikepacking with them.


Proof of Concept – LHS by Andrew Priest, on Flickr

 

[Aushiker]

I'm talking about the Creo 2. AFIAK Specialized has not sold the original Creo for years. It does not have all the mounts you'd get on a touring bike (lol? can't tell if you're joking). It doesn't even have upper mounts for a standard rear rack.

According to Specialized, and I quote, "LOAD UP, HEAD OUT: Take a little or a lot on any ride. Creo 2 Alloy accepts a variety of front, rear, and low-rider racks. Who says you can’t take it all?"

Whilst it can take racks, a more lightweight approach to touring, or rather backpacking, can avoid them. Saddle bags such as the Porcelain Rocket Mr Fusion v2, combined with frame bags, handlebar bags, and the like, work fine.


Holland Track Day 2: Salsa Mukluk at Granite Rock Outcrop by Andrew Priest, on Flickr

I now use a rack because my bikepacking is often in areas where I need to carry two plus days of water, e.g.,


Next Stop Bremer Bay - {Day 08-08} by Andrew Priest, on Flickr

Theres a reason that bike touring is the last refuge of bar end shifters. The reliability considerations are very different when you're planning on week long rides, where a mechanical you can't repair on the side of the road means you don't get to finish your ride that you spent potentially months planning.

Whilst my Surly Long Haul Trucker has bar ends that I have long since lost their indexing, I have done remote bikepacking with MTB shifters (on the Salsa Mukluk) above, and now with electronic shifting on the R&M Supercharger due to having a Rohloff Speedhub E14.

The Rohloff hubs are well-renowned for touring ...

Even disc brakes are becoming the norm on 'touring' bikes. Personally, having ridden my Long Haul Trucker a week ago on a rough dirt track, I would not go back to rim brakes. My preference is mechanical disc brakes, but the R&M Supercharger has hydraulic brakes.