Creo 2 short supply?

[eddief]

Wondering if anyone in the know knows why there appears to be a short supply of Creo 2 bikes; especially Comp Carbon. My local shop said there is some sort of hold up but did not know the actual reason. These bikes were announced quite some time ago and I'd think inventory would be flush by now.

 

[AvalancheRun]

Probably not producing as much inventory due to large amounts of other unsold bikes.

If you call the main rider care line they may know. I did that in the psst and they gave me an accurate estimate. The stores will say anything.

 

[PedalUma]

It is a nice bike but only has 50Nm of torque. Whimpey. Mine have 90Nm and are open source and fully programable through the displays by each owner who controls the bike he or she owns. Buying a dog that you cannot train or control is kind of silly in my opinion. I know and I sell these bikes as well as my own custom bikes. Interoperability of components is important as is the right to repair.

 

[AvalancheRun]

It is a nice bike but only has 50Nm of torque. Whimpey. Mine have 90Nm and are open source and fully programable through the displays by each owner who controls the bike he or she owns. Buying a dog that you cannot train or control is kind of silly in my opinion. I know and I sell these bikes as well as my own custom bikes. Interoperability of components is important as is the right to repair.

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Can you get weight under 40 lbs? What would the lightest be for a 90 nm bike with ~400+ wh?

 

[Amoto65]

Probably the Specialized Levo.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

It is a nice bike but only has 50Nm of torque. Whimpey.

A gravel e-bike has to be able to ride for a long distance and be very lighweight at the same time. It also has to be structurally very strong.
You do not know much about cycling disciplines, do you Uma?

Yesterday, a new friend of mine completed a gravel race together with me on a hybrid trekking 60 Nm Shimano mid-drive e-bike. The terrain was demanding. If that guy was not met by bad luck, he could have won. For instance, he had no issue to climb a 16% incline or walk his e-bike through a bog. He could climb 8% incline in deep sand, too. 60 Nm was enough.

These people need no motor to ride gravel races at all.

My friend needed a 60 Nm motor for this very climb. I used 90 Nm there but I and my e-bike plus baggage together weighed near 300 lbs!

 

[mfgrep]

35Nm mid drive (Vado SL) is likely overkill for my uses as a calorie burner Street machine. I VERY rarely am asking for more than 65% assist and when I do it is for less than 30 seconds.
It depends on whether you are looking for fitness or for a motorcycle type transportation.
The lightweight low power e-bikes may not suit your specific needs. The trade-off, if engineered correctly, allows you to have a very lightweight and nimble analog like bicycle with assist. Perfect in my eyes. Even better I only charge it approximately every 100 MI.

 

[PedalUma]

Can you get weight under 40 lbs? What would the lightest be for a 90 nm bike with ~400+ wh?

Fair question. On an aluminum gravel/adventure bike with robust components, not race day components, about 42. That would be a build that can bike pack trails. At some point it is like trying to shave grams from a bridge. Doing a century is a lot. After two hours of riding it stops being fun. I am mostly running errands for transportation. I had fifty pounds on my rack this morning.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Fair question. On an aluminum gravel/adventure bike with robust components, not race day components, about 42. That would be a build that can bike pack trails. At some point it is like trying to shave grams from a bridge. Doing a century is a lot. After two hours of riding it stops being fun. I am mostly running errands for transportation. I had fifty pounds on my rack this morning.

People who ride Specialized SL e-bikes expect low weight, low assistance, quality, top electronics, a mid-drive motor you can trust, and certainly do not want to perish in a battery fire, having the e-bike frame broken in rough terrain or getting killed because the brakes didn't work. They expect local support, service, and the best warranty in the world.

This e-bike has a 35 Nm motor and weighs 35 or 37 lbs.

On a singletrack in a hilly area.

The half-way into the ride.

On a damaged dirt road.

On the big river.

Yes, I had to climb the 9% grade to get over there.

Smooth asphalt, rolling hills.

People who can ride a Creo 2 or a Vado SL do not need your contraptions, @PedalUma. Why are you trying to hijack a Specialized thread again?

 

[Avg_Joe]

It is a nice bike but only has 50Nm of torque. Whimpey. Mine have 90Nm and are open source and fully programable through the displays by each owner who controls the bike he or she owns. Buying a dog that you cannot train or control is kind of silly in my opinion. I know and I sell these bikes as well as my own custom bikes. Interoperability of components is important as is the right to repair.

This is an area you have no idea what you're talking about; and you are a person in California building one-off bikes for an entirely different segment, not a multi-national corp catering to wide interests. Why you have to interject here is beyond me, but at least you didn't post eleventy pix of your totally unrelated builds.

The 50nm of mid-drive torque is extremely effective for riders who have some basic fitness and need help at times - hell, my 55lb Vado 3 has 55nm at max (which I rarely if ever tap) and that thing is a joy to ride (for this late 50's 200lb person who isn't exactly an Olympic athlete). O, when I go to the grocery and haul home several 10's of lbs of groceries, that wimpy (not whimpey) 55nm makes the ride a breeze.

Do you offer mobile apps? Because the mobile apps for these bikes, along with the controllers, are

fully programable through the displays by each owner who controls the bike he or she owns.

Let's talk open source. I worked for the formerly largest open source software company in the world for over a decade, which was bought by Big Blue. Some questions:

1. Where is your code repository for this OS software? I want to see the code.
2. Where is the issue tracker for this code, and who is resolving the bugs/issues?
3. Under which license is the code released?
4. What is the release cadence?
5. How many contributors are there?
6. If you are unavailable, how does one get support?

If you can't point to the above, your stuff is not open source.

Now, if you think fully programmable bicycle control via a user interface is "open source," you have no frickin' idea what you're talking about. By this standard, Bosch, Spesh, every bike that offers a user interface to control the bike is open source. Hint: these are very closed-source/proprietary systems that simply expose configuration to the user.

Right to repair and interoperability of components? This is a joke, right?

Again, where's your code repo where I can modify the code? As far as the mechanical and electronic systems, if one needs to repair or replace:

• Tires, wheels, brakes, gears, levers, handlebars, pedals, cranks, fork - go to the LBS or an online retailer and buy what's needed.
• Wiring harness, motor, display, battery, controller - go to the manufacturer, either under warranty or with a credit card and get the needful.
• Repair away!
• The bike cartel has done a wonderful job with interoperability, btw - I had a bike with an SRAM crankset, bb; Shimano chain, cassette, derailleur; 2 different tires OMG!!!1!1!11

I respect what you do, but your use of buzzwords (open source, right to repair) indicates sly marketing and superficial (at best) understanding of each. And it makes your arguments against certain bikes and mfgrs ring very hollow and empty; but it does fulfill your obvious need to continually denigrate those mfgrs and the owners of their bikes, yawn.

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[mfgrep]

This reminds me of some presidential candidate:

" but only has 50Nm of torque. Whimpey. Mine have 90Nm"

 

[Stefan Mikes]

a 90Nm gravel bike

A ride for dying cyclists? Weight? Range?

Guys on a 416 km gravel race. These people have no range anxiety and they ride 9 kg bikes. (Photos: Szymon Gruchalski Cycling).

@mschwett: The last two photos are from the 26% grade incline we used to talk about. Fortunately, that very climb was not included in my route; most of the riders had to walk their bikes up that hill!

 

[PedalUma]

Comparing yourself to Van Gogh? Really? Do you really believe the crap you post, or do you just have nothing better to do than troll this site?

I am sympathetic to the cognitive dissonance. Yesterday I was unboxing, assembling, and tuning new Specialized eBikes and other brands in between selling them on the sales floor. Granted, I could be full of it and, or delusional, or ill informed, many are, yet today I got my 78th five-star verified local review on Google Maps. They are all five-stars. So, maybe it does not matter what I say, it is what my neighbors say. I am unlikely to change your set views from across a continent. Still, it is hard for someone to express an opinion on a wine they have never tasted. Maybe you could be open to the idea that there might be better options. The bike in that video is owned by a carbon roadie. It was a spare bike that he will use to haul kids up his hill in a trailer.