Can I get help with wiring of Battery

[tomjasz]

So we're in agreement.

More often than not, maybe just too often fellow curmudgeons fall off the wagon and forget we're on the same page and journey. All the best Al! Sincerely.

 

[J.R.]

So you can't answer that. Calling me dishonest, especially with a response like that, is pathetic..


I guess you mean it's a search engine. Maybe where battery fires are commonplace it's a browser, not in the rest of the English speaking world.

So your strawman argument is a strawman, right? My point, since you obviously missed it, is, of course you can find many references to anything you want on Google. Nothing you have provided indicates bike battery fires are commonplace (or becoming commonplace). "Commonplace" connotes relative frequency. "Relative" means compared to the whole. You are ignoring how many bike batteries don't explode or burst into flames. I'm totally guessing (find a real number to plug in here) but probably more than 99.97 percent of batteries don't burn. I don't think anyone thinks that something that happens 0.03% of the time is commonplace. 300 fires seems like a lot if that's all you consider, but not so much when compared to a million. Emphasis: I don't know what the real number is.

You've also ignored the question of which batteries burn? Is it mostly "bargain" batteries? Is there carelessness or stupidity involved most of the time? Or do all batteries burn at a rate that is becoming commonplace?

TT

I did answer it. I stayed on point, you posted about trump, Christmas decorations, car crashes, heaters and all sorts of strawman arguments. You've made such a big deal out of expressing concern to someone that damaged a battery and knew nothing about the wiring. Precisely when there should be concern about safety.

 

[harryS]

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Hi,

I have a battery wiring question that I would really appreciate some help with.

The photo below is how the batteries were rigged when I bought them. But before I go and start breaking things, I would really appreciate your help.

Thanks so much!!!

Yep. Start a new thread and post the picture. This is a toxic thread to avoid,
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[PedalUma]

No photo of the drilled lock, bike's serial number. No original charger. Why would someone not have a charger and have a drilled lock?
I am out of here.

 

[Tars Tarkas]

I did answer it.

No, you didn't. And you're still avoiding any substantive on topic response. So carry on with your holier than thou delusions.

TT

 

[tomjasz]

No photo of the drilled lock, bike's serial number. No original charger. Why would someone not have a charger and have a drilled lock?
I am out of here.

Very suspicious. Either a complete dullard or?

 

[tomjasz]

I did answer it. I stayed on point, you posted about trump, Christmas decorations, car crashes, heaters and all sorts of strawman arguments. You've made such a big deal out of expressing concern to someone that damaged a battery and knew nothing about the wiring. Precisely when there should be concern about safety.

E-Bikes Recalled Due to Fire, Explosion and Burn Hazards; Distributed by Ancheer
The lithium-ion batteries can ignite, explode or spark, posing fire, explosion and burn hazards to consumers.

Recall Date:
October 13, 2022
Units:
About 22,000

Remedy:
Consumers should stop using the recalled e-bikes immediately and contact Ancheer for a free replacement battery and battery mount.
Incidents/Injuries:
Ancheer has received six reports of incidents involving fire, explosions, or sparks, including four reports of burn injuries.

 

[Tars Tarkas]

6 out of 22,000 is 272 out of a million. Less than I had guessed. I don't think that you are trying to prove my point but that is what you are doing. Ancheer is talking drastic, but appropriate, action way ahead of this becoming commonplace.

Posting in big bold fonts doesn't prove anything, by the way. Good try though. I bet Tom gives you a like.

TT

 

[Tars Tarkas]

Sorry, I thought I was replying to J.R. Tom said he was ignoring this thread. Anyway, humble apologies. What I said still stands though.

 

[EMGX]

No photo of the drilled lock, bike's serial number. No original charger. Why would someone not have a charger and have a drilled lock?
I am out of here.

 

[J.R.]

E-Bikes Recalled Due to Fire, Explosion and Burn Hazards; Distributed by Ancheer
The lithium-ion batteries can ignite, explode or spark, posing fire, explosion and burn hazards to consumers.

Recall Date:
October 13, 2022
Units:
About 22,000

Remedy:
Consumers should stop using the recalled e-bikes immediately and contact Ancheer for a free replacement battery and battery mount.
Incidents/Injuries:
Ancheer has received six reports of incidents involving fire, explosions, or sparks, including four reports of burn injuries.

Thanks for posting this, Tom. You should post that in the brand forum. I hit ignore thread, but got an alert by a direct reply. I also started an ignore list. There are posts I cannot see. I don't understand all the BS over my fairly benign first post, just a precaution for an obviously damaged battery.

Since this thread is dead there's no topic to go off of, so.... I see you changed your profile pic. I have a neighbor down the road with this iron sculpture at his drive.

It's really big!

 

[Tars Tarkas]

[Tomjasz] E-Bikes Recalled Due to Fire, Explosion and Burn Hazards; Distributed by Ancheer
The lithium-ion batteries can ignite, explode or spark, posing fire, explosion and burn hazards to consumers.https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2023/E...cheer?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

Thanks for posting this, Tom.

I'm sure it was just an honest mistake on your part J.R., bless your heart, but you omitted the part where Ancheer is reacting to 6 fires out of 22,000 bike batteries

Let's do some math with that. I'm not saying this proves a thing, but for the fun of it, convert 22,000 batteries to days. 22,000 days is over 60 years. If it rained on 6 days during those sixty years, would you say rain was becoming commonplace? Would you warn people to keep their galoshes and umbrellas ready by the door?

Tom, you can play along too, if you want!

TT

 

[harryS]

Ancheer is likely responding to a CPSC order. If they get enough consumer complaints, apparently six is enough, the CPSC investigates.

 

[Tars Tarkas]

It's great that they're jumping right on it, for whatever reason.

TT

 

[Tars Tarkas]

So I just went to the CPSC website to look at the recall. Tom quoted from it directly, but his cut and paste stopped just before this next bullet point:

• Sold At:
• Online at www.aliexpress.com, www.ancheer.shop, www.amazon.com, www.ebay.com, www.newegg.com, www.overstock.com, www.rakuten.com, www.sears.com, www.walmart.com and www.wish.com from January 2016 through June 2022 for between $280 and $930.

If we're talking about whole bikes that were sold for $280 (even up to $930) we probably aren't talking about top-of-the line batteries. What do you suppose the price allocation is for the battery on a $280 bike?!!! You might be able to get very good bikes at some or all of those vendors, but most of them aren't exactly top tier ebike sellers. They may sell a lot of bikes but they mostly aren't who you go to if you're looking for high quality ebikes, right? Isn't that relevant? I hate to coin a phrase, but it seems that tomjasz's debating style might not be completely honest..

Anyway, even when you throw in the stats for "bargain" bikes like Ancheer (at least the $280 product line), I still don't see bike battery fires as being, or, ahem, becoming, commonplace. Six incidents in six years of sales of 22,000 bikes....

This recall is going to be expensive for Ancheer and they are to be commended for stepping up even if the CPSC had a gun to their back, so to speak. They wouldn't be in this predicament if they'd sold their bikes with better batteries in the first place, but of course they wouldn't have sold 22,000 bike either.

TT