tomjasz
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No one is arguing about the quality, just the stubborn indifference you and “Richard” Mikes embarrass yourselves with, without any depth of experience. Yawn.
Bosch 6A charger
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fooferdoggie
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I did not dis anything I asked what's the point? if you have a bosch powered bike you have their charger most likely. what will you gain? what will you lose?
fooferdoggie
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what indifference? that we use the charger that came with our bike?
Stefan Mikes
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Foofer has touched the right spot: Why on earth should an owner of a quality e-bike and a charger replace the charger with anything else?! Ya, I might understand DIY people cannot live without a voltmeter but the owners of good manufactured e-bikes prefer riding and enjoying them to "fixing" (of something that is not broken).
My Specialized e-bikes have the voltmeter as the part of the system (same as power or cadence meter). Grin would need to think a lot how to cope with my main battery/Range Extender setup. Grin could not tell me anything about the number of battery charges, etc. Battery temperature?
My Specialized e-bikes have the voltmeter as the part of the system (same as power or cadence meter). Grin would need to think a lot how to cope with my main battery/Range Extender setup. Grin could not tell me anything about the number of battery charges, etc. Battery temperature?
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Did you borrow:It is the kind of a guy who runs around with a voltmeter to determine the battery state of charge to teach owners of quality gear to use something he strongly believes in. Once Tom buys a Specialized or a Bosch e-bike, he is free to grill... Grin it
a) a 1st place pedestal from a previous Olympic games awards stage or
b) a large voltmeter
to step up on top of it to write that?
Stefan Mikes
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Sorry, I cannot understand Australian.Did you borrow:
a) a 1st place pedestal from a previous Olympic games awards stage or
b) a large voltmeter
to step up on top of it to write that?
To make myself even more clear: I don't think Tom has ever owned a big brand e-bike. Yet he is encouraging other people to try a Grin charger and take a risk of damaging their precious rides. Is that fair?
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You really don't understand anything that isn't in the product brochure let alone something outside your small world.
A Bosch owner was asking for a solution and was given one.
WTF is your malfunction?!
Seems like you're trying to use "Voltmeter" as a generic descriptor in-conjunction with it being an essential piece of kit for a certain type of ebike owner, it's not generic at all, it only measures voltage, a Multi-meter is much more generic!
Just off the top of my head (without standing on a pedestal)...
Why on earth?:
1) You want to do your bit to save the Earth as you travel with more than one type of ebike and the Satiator fits all. Bit like Apple & other manufacturers not supplying chargers with their products to reduce landfill, etc.
2) You couldn't comfortably afford your Specialized or Bosch ebike and had to save money for a lengthy period to be able to purchase said "quality e-bike". As a result and after it's burned many holes in your bank accounts, etc you would like to maximise your investment by limiting the maximum charge level to 80 or 90% on occasions or all of the time to maximise the life of your hard earned expensive "quality" batteries.
3) There are a myriad of possibilities whereby you may want to charge faster than 4 or 6A - stopping at a cafe/shop/store along the way of an extended tour for example.
4) You may want to charge at home/wherever at a rate below 2A to squeeze whatever life extension you can get by doing that.
5) You're an energy nazi and you want to save as much electrical energy as possible by taking advantage of the Satiator's superior PFC & efficiency.
6) Your ebike is Bosch, you wish to be able to charge at 6A or more & you reside in a region of the world that does not have 220-240VAC.
7) You require a charger with much tougher vibration tolerances.
8) You're in the Aussie Outback/wherever and you want a charger that inspires confidence where it isn't going to s*it itself with ambient temperatures of 40+ Celsius, or it's perhaps slightly better in rain or other conditions. Bosch operating temp: 0 to 40C, Satiator: -30 to +50C and if it get's too hot it's output power is derated (reduced), what does the Specialized or Bosch charger do in this scenario?
9) You are on a tour or such and you have a total of 3 or 4 batteries to charge and want to charge all of them from flat to full in one night.
10) You have plenty of money and you like to go fast with everything you do, including charging
11) You prefer to support a talented little Canadian company instead.
12) You get a Grin on your face (no pun) when you think that you own a gadget that can do all of the above things that the average Joe who just goes with the norm, does not possess.
Wow, sounds like i work for Grin or something, i don't even own a Satiator!
tomjasz
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Well some of us have multiple battery’s, and several different motors and controllers. Bike mounted chargers for long rides and variable charge rates...
And more...
Your Bosch is an amazing motor and arguably one of the best battery builds. But you two blather on like a couple of evangelicals finding any differing opinion to be sacrilegious. Polytheism is a better fit for me. My eBike world doesn’t suffer from the same narrow experience. Deities forbid and take my virgins away if I ever follow that religulous BS. I’m not dogmatic about any brand, build, or style of bike/motor. Theres a sad trend here on EBR, and many forums. Getting into an ego rut and proclaiming like evangelicals there‘s just one way.
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I have got these OEM chargers with my e-bikes and use them. Should I just send these chargers for landfill and buy a Satiator instead?Seems like you're trying to use "Voltmeter" as a generic descriptor in-conjunction with it being an essential piece of kit for a certain type of ebike owner, it's not generic at all, it only measures voltage, a Multi-meter is much more generic!
Just off the top of my head (without standing on a pedestal)...
Why on earth?:
1) You want to do your bit to save the Earth as you travel with more than one type of ebike and the Satiator fits all. Bit like Apple & other manufacturers not supplying chargers with their products to reduce landfill, etc.
2) You couldn't comfortably afford your Specialized or Bosch ebike and had to save money for a lengthy period to be able to purchase said "quality e-bike". As a result and after it's burned many holes in your bank accounts, etc you would like to maximise your investment by limiting the maximum charge level to 80 or 90% on occasions or all of the time to maximise the life of your hard earned expensive "quality" batteries.
3) There are a myriad of possibilities whereby you may want to charge faster than 4 or 6A - stopping at a cafe/shop/store along the way of an extended tour for example.
4) You may want to charge at home/wherever at a rate below 2A to squeeze whatever life extension you can get by doing that.
5) You're an energy nazi and you want to save as much electrical energy as possible by taking advantage of the Satiator's superior PFC & efficiency.
6) Your ebike is Bosch, you wish to be able to charge at 6A or more & you reside in a region of the world that does not have 220-240VAC.
7) You require a charger with much tougher vibration tolerances.
8) You're in the Aussie Outback/wherever and you want a charger that inspires confidence where it isn't going to s*it itself with ambient temperatures of 40+ Celsius, or it's perhaps slightly better in rain or other conditions. Bosch operating temp: 0 to 40C, Satiator: -30 to +50C and if it get's too hot it's output power is derated (reduced), what does the Specialized or Bosch charger do in this scenario?
9) You are on a tour or such and you have a total of 3 or 4 batteries to charge and want to charge all of them from flat to full in one night.
10) You have plenty of money and you like to go fast with everything you do, including charging
11) You prefer to support a talented little Canadian company instead.
12) You get a Grin on your face (no pun) when you think that you own a gadget that can do all of the above things that the average Joe who just goes with the norm, does not possess.
My Specialized chargers work for 100-240V AC input. They could be used in the U.S. or Europe. You think Grin are such smart?
You are far away from home with your brother and want several batteries to be simultaneously charged.
Satiator? Really?
Perhaps you should buy a Satiator for your R&M. Hopefully, your e-bike is post warranty.Wow, sounds like i work for Grin or something, i don't even own a Satiator!
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tomjasz
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Stefan Mikes
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Not sure how the matters of electrical safety look like in the United States but we have that covered very well in Europe. With the setup shown, maximum current drawn from the sockets at 230 V was 3 A, and our fuses blow up at 20 A...
In other words, we were drawing 690 W, while a hair-dryer starts from 1200 W and up.
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No one is suggesting that you do anything... well other than GFY.
But perhaps the OP has other requirements than you and doesn't have endless hours to spend in a hotel with his "brother" playing hide the kielbasa while his battery charges.
My Specialized chargers work for 100-240V AC input. They could be used in the U.S. or Europe. You think Grin are such smart?
That and much more.
I'm starting to feel bad for giving you such a hard time as I feel your defect is biological as no one could be so obtuse.
fooferdoggie
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give it a break. I pointed out important things. it may void your warranty and no one knows how bosch deals with charging. since they have a very long battery life. taking a chance on a expensive battery is risky. I never said anything about only buying bosch powered bike. Plus the grin does not monitor the battery temp either another safety feature.
I have got these OEM chargers with my e-bikes and use them. Should I just send these chargers for landfill and buy a Satiator instead?
My Specialized chargers work for 100-240V AC input. They could be used in the U.S. or Europe. You think Grin are such smart?
Well that was a Specialized reply!
Did you read the other 8 or so decent reasons for wanting a Satiator? I thought they were rather Specialized use cases.
I didn't explain the landfill thing very well or should not have used it, i'll grant you that.
Yes "your" American Specialized chargers work throughout the world.
However if you know anything about Switch Mode power supplies (ebike chargers) then you would know that it is MUCH more difficult to have a power supply (charger) that is sealed, watertight & passively cooled (no fans), can accommodate a wide input range (100-240VAC), have a programmable output range (12-63VDC), capable of 8A / 360W, with a Power Factor of >99%, efficiency of 95% at 230V in a small package that is not too heavy.
As opposed to a Specialized power supply that simply takes 100-240VAC & converts it to 42VDC? with a certain current capability (2 or 4A).
So, yes, i do think Grin Tech are Smart.
And besides the thread's title is Bosch 6A charger, this does not directly work in the US as it's 230-240VAC only.
Stefan Mikes
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Same with Specialized.
No need to for the batteries I am using. For instance, pump 8 A into a battery; it will degrade very soon, and as Grin does not monitor the battery temperature, you are on a straight way to a fire.
Who told you so? Specialized chargers work on the Constant Current/Constant Voltage principle, and are a switchable power supply. These actually "talk" with the battery on charging, and monitor the battery temperature.
Satiator cannot handle the SL charging setup: Main Battery/Range Extender, where the charging current is controlled by the Range Extender limitation.
I'm so sorry for Bosch and the United States.
Webcurl, why don't you buy a Satiator? It is your money anyway.
I do hope the adapter/powerboard between the power point and the chargers is not a non-EU, badly designed Chinese item because if it is, perhaps with large surge current(s) (google it) then it wouldn't matter if it was in a very well covered European location with 20A fuses or elsewhere you just may have to cover it very well with some European fire retardant!
Here in Australia we don't have 20A power points, just 10 & the occasional 15A as our method of delivering the energy to the point is slightly more efficient as we use 240VAC, not 230
Stefan Mikes
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I wonder webcurl whether you have ever been to Europe...
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