mschwett
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Thank you. Obviously these were just initial thoughts. Things are very skewed for others looking at my data - despite various ails I’m fairly fit, but over 250lbs…but unfortunately I have good and bad days where I use more or less assist. At least there will be ride data for a minimum of 6 weeks, over similar routes with lots of climbing, for when I compare the X20 and the HPR40.
I currently have level 2 set to 130w in the app, but there’s no access to power readings from the motor in the app.
A question about the X20 - the power meter readings in the Mahle app, of both motor output and rider input watts - are these software estimates, not from a physical power meter? Or might the Gain M10i have more bells and whistles?
For those of you with the X20, did you ever see a motor wattage over 214w? I didn’t…of course, the way the wattage is measured could be inaccurate.
The explanation as the the motor ‘blips’ seemed convincing - more importantly, they are now already rare, so perhaps some credence can be given to their interactive software claims.
May I also thank you all for helping me understand these systems better! Did you all notice from the graph that the HPR50 output peaked at around 65rpm and remained fairly level before finally dropping again? Is such a broad levelling off normal?
i didn’t realize that was your review ! fantastic and thank you for producing it, lots of work no doubt.
the rider input number in the mahle app is total nonsense, it comes from some kind of sensor in the bottom bracket and is way off. i can say this pretty definitively since i moved the dura-ace crank from my aethos to the addict with the dual-sided 4iiii power meter that it had, so i can see both values. before that, i also put a single side power meter on the left crank arm that came with the bike, and those two both matched each other in similar situations as well as the predictions. so i’m pretty certain that at least my x20 bottom bracket reads very, very low at low cadences, and just randomly low at normal cadences and low power, and arbitrarily low or high at very high power outputs.
on the x20 i have never seen a motor reading over 205w, which is part of why i believe it’s output, not the electrical input. the sensor list for the x20 also mentions a “motor torque” sensor so this value may actually be measured, rather than estimated from electrical usage and known efficiency curves.
sunday, after this thread, i rode up some pretty shallow hills to see if going uphill at speeds between 15 and 20 mph on full power would get to 250w, but i still didn’t see over 205.