Another new TQ motor: hpr40
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stompandgo
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Please post your reviews here.
stompandgo
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I've joined the TQ HPR50 club.
Jeremy McCreary
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So you pulled the trigger on the Pinarello Nytro. Congrats!
I bought a lightweight low-power ebike 2 months after the 2024 TdF, specifically to get just a little taste of the road bike experience. Now you're buying an e-road bike before the race is even over.
I bet that happens a lot these days.
Calcoaster
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Yako, I am the one who contacted TQ with question of riding the hpr40 with no assist and was told it will be damaged. I had several email exchanges with the tech because I couldn’t believe it but she insisted, saying that damage would occur riding above the cutoff speed, or if the battery goes flat on a ride and you continue it, or if you choose to ride with no assist. I asked those questions specifically and she said yes damage will occur in all situations. She also said there is motor drag. And she refused my request to have another tech review my questions.
Since you have a relationship with canyon I hope you can get some clarification. I’m still assuming the tech is incorrect but your input will be valuable. When I have time tomorrow I’d like to message you a copy of my email exchanges so you have those specifics to question canyon/TQ about. Thanks for your first unboxing review!
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Hi Cal. That is absolutely wild! I think the tech was drunk, or maybe had just been fired. The bike rides beautifully without assist, the press blurb raves about how good that aspect is, and I’d agree. How is there motor drag? Like some resistance within the motor to pedalling when the motor off? Give me an hour and I’ll check, I haven’t had breakfast yet! Please do copy me in. I’m actually chatting right now with Canyon’s Global Communications Manager.
stompandgo
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Yes. Nytro Allroad E. It's a gravel frame with flat bars.
Chazmo
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Nice, Chris. Good luck!
Calcoaster
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Hi Yako,
I just messaged you through the forum’s PM with the email exchanges I had with the TQ rep. I don’t want to make her name public here so I haven’t posted them, just what she had told me. I hope you can get some clarification from canyon and/or TQ, and you’ll know which rep not to talk to there! Of course, maybe she’s right with all her warnings but if so there must be more to it than Im being told.
Maybe the clutch system needs a trickle to maintain engagement or to disengage? If that’s the case I’m sure TQ would make that as foolproof as possible, like maintaining an electrical connection even with the assist off and even with the bike power off.
Anyway, I‘m looking forward to your full review of the canyon and your assessment of the riding without assist and the motor drag warnings she gave me.
Thanks!
Yako; thanks for the comments and looking forward to your review on your channel. I am super curious to hear your impression of the TQ HPR40 vs the X-20 for a road bike. I was about to pull the trigger on an Addict eRide 10 but now wondering if I should wait until TQ40 equipped bikes are available in the US (although they will likely be 2X what I can get Addict for right now)
stompandgo
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Have you reviewed a TQ-HPR50 bike of any kind?
Yes, a short ride on a friends Pinarello with HPR50. Bike weighs ~28lbs and it felt heavy, would not want to ride it far without assist. Motor noise was noticeable and assist was not exactly natural (sort of on or off, never just right) , but the motor settings were not tuned for me. What I would hope for is assist that is in the background, like a strong tailwind. and just a quiet.
Calcoaster
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I’m surprised - my BMC roadmachine with TQ is silent and the motor is smooth and subtle, at least at the settings I use (eco 30%, 60w max and occasional use mid setting of 60%, 120w max.) I have always set my pedal response to the lowest setting so you might try that. Mine is about 28 pounds and it rides better without assist than my older 21 pound specialized roubaix. Better than my Creo that I used to have too.
Jeremy McCreary
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Agree with @Calcoaster , this doesn't quite add up. I ride a 38 lb Specialized Vado SL 1 in OFF all the time, just cuz I enjoy it, and I'm not a strong rider.
All other things being equal, even a 10 lb change in bike weight makes little difference in steady riding on the flat. Maybe some factor other than weight was in play. Tire resistance and motor drag come to mind.
Jeremy McCreary
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Yes, that's a different story.
Calcoaster
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I’ve never ridden an X-20. I know the TQ site has a long article about their “tonality” study of their motor. They discussed the important difference between overall db sound pressure measurement vs the measurement at different frequencies showing how the same sound pressure will be loud and annoying at one but quiet and mostly unnoticeable at another. They focused their efforts on tuning the frequencies emitted by the motor to the ones most ears aren’t as sensitive to. I found my Creo noise to be a constant irritation but I have only heard my TQ when I specifically tried to under the worst conditions for motor noise: low speed, high cadence, quiet street with no wind. Even then what I heard sounded like tire noise. I had to cycle the assist on and off to be sure it was the motor and not the tires. On a normal road ride i never hear it.
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