Announced: Yamaha Civante - 28mph

[Stefan Mikes]

I purchased a new Yamaha battery for $700 and got the bike for free...

The price of Giant EnergyPak Smart 625 in Europe is US$1225 RRP. You could probably buy a Chinese e-bike with throttle for that price

 

[Brendon@OEB]

We are thinking of bringing these in! Been a Yamaha dealer since they released in the US market. We've got a Wabash on the floor and wonder if I can convert it to the class 3 motor!

 

[e-boy]

Yamaha offers two lines in Japan , PAS and YPJ .
PAS is all step-thru / low step except for one model .
YPJ is all diamond frame .

PASラインナップ

電動アシスト自転車のラインナップをご紹介。

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

YPJ | ヤマハ発動機株式会社

走る楽しさを追求したスポーツ電動アシスト自転車、YPJシリーズ。マウンテンバイク、クロスバイク、ロードバイクなど走りのフィールドにあわせて選べます。

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

 

[nbkutz]

We are thinking of bringing these in! Been a Yamaha dealer since they released in the US market. We've got a Wabash on the floor and wonder if I can convert it to the class 3 motor!

Do you know are the PW-SE Motors the same and its just firmware/software that's separating the class 1 and class 3?

 

[Brendon@OEB]

Do you know are the PW-SE Motors the same and its just firmware/software that's separating the class 1 and class 3?

That looks to be the case, they've had a class 3 motor in the Wabash/Cross Core frame for a while. Haven't heard officially though.

 

[bikelifelite]

**warning** noob chiming in!

FYI Yamaha, at least in Japan, offers two diamond frame models under the PAS category. The Brace and Vienta.
I would know as I live in Japan and own two Braces.

PAS Brace

ハイスペックなスポーティモデル　 大容量バッテリー 内装8段変速を採用し長距離サイクリングをスポーティにこなす 26インチ電動アシスト自転車［パス ブレイス］

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

PAS VIENTA5

カジュアルなスポーティモデル 内装5段変速採用でスポーティな走行性能を持ちながら街乗りも休日のサイクリングもオシャレにこなす26インチ電動アシスト自転車［パス ヴィエンタ ファイブ］

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

Both these bikes have the normal PW series motor and the Brace has Yamaha's largish looking magnet speed sensor disk mounted on the standard Shimano 8 speed IGH.

From what I saw at the dealership, it looks like all the YPJ category bikes have a smaller speed sensor disk mounted to the rear hub\disc brake. I don't believe any current Yamaha brand ebike uses a spoke magnet style speed sensor. Even the cheaper step through stuff uses a tiny front hub mounted disk.

It looks like the Civante is a currently offered bike but just less 'restricted'. And as someone asked, since the new PW-X motor has a different bolt pattern, that might be one reason it's not on the Civante. BTW their MTB with PW-X rode way different from the standard PW stuff. It was more torquey and kinda surged with every stroke. It was cool but the huge tires felt like they created a lot of resistance. Or maybe don't listen to anything I say as I'm a total noob. Haha

BTW, there are some people selling modified versions of the hub sensors in Japan but I guess I should just start a new thread for that. But yeah as others have mentioned, perhaps this will open the doors for a legit way to unlock some power for those stuck with the hub mounted speed sensor!

Anyways, this is my first post so... Hi! XD

 

[e-boy]

**warning** noob chiming in!

FYI Yamaha, at least in Japan, offers two diamond frame models under the PAS category. The Brace and Vienta.
I would know as I live in Japan and own two Braces.

PAS Brace

ハイスペックなスポーティモデル　 大容量バッテリー 内装8段変速を採用し長距離サイクリングをスポーティにこなす 26インチ電動アシスト自転車［パス ブレイス］

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

PAS VIENTA5

カジュアルなスポーティモデル 内装5段変速採用でスポーティな走行性能を持ちながら街乗りも休日のサイクリングもオシャレにこなす26インチ電動アシスト自転車［パス ヴィエンタ ファイブ］

www.yamaha-motor.co.jp

Both these bikes have the normal PW series motor and the Brace has Yamaha's largish looking magnet speed sensor disk mounted on the standard Shimano 8 speed IGH.

From what I saw at the dealership, it looks like all the YPJ category bikes have a smaller speed sensor disk mounted to the rear hub\disc brake. I don't believe any current Yamaha brand ebike uses a spoke magnet style speed sensor. Even the cheaper step through stuff uses a tiny front hub mounted disk.

It looks like the Civante is a currently offered bike but just less 'restricted'. And as someone asked, since the new PW-X motor has a different bolt pattern, that might be one reason it's not on the Civante. BTW their MTB with PW-X rode way different from the standard PW stuff. It was more torquey and kinda surged with every stroke. It was cool but the huge tires felt like they created a lot of resistance. Or maybe don't listen to anything I say as I'm a total noob. Haha

BTW, there are some people selling modified versions of the hub sensors in Japan but I guess I should just start a new thread for that. But yeah as others have mentioned, perhaps this will open the doors for a legit way to unlock some power for those stuck with the hub mounted speed sensor!

Anyways, this is my first post so... Hi! XD

Thanks for this info .
I consider the Vienta5 a "low-step" rather than a diamond frame .

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I was negatively talking about the Civante. My bad. The bike is technically interesting, although only the U.S. and Switzerland can enjoy the 28 mph/45 kph e-road-bikes.

I simply hate e-bikes with the battery "hump" because it looks like a converted pedal bike Creo looks far better.

 

[TMH]

I simply hate e-bikes with the battery "hump" because it looks like a converted pedal bike Creo looks far better.

Yes, I'll go along with you that the Creo looks better.

But I am by no means put off by battery humps on e-bikes. I will grant you that some manufacturers integrate the big batteries better into the downtube than others. But if the battery 'hump' makes me have to hump less while riding, I'll take that battery hump all day long! Function over form always wins for me. Plus many of the hump style batteries are more interchangeable with other e-bikes with the same motor system manufacturer.

But then again, what do I know? I shoot a Sony A7RIII and not a Pentax...

 

[Deacon Blues]

Yamaha does seem to be behind the times when it comes to battery/frame integration. I like the Civante for what it offers at a good price point, but the Creo is a much better looking e-road bike.

 

[WattsUpDude]

That looks to be the case, they've had a class 3 motor in the Wabash/Cross Core frame for a while. Haven't heard officially though.

you might know:

Is this why I've only seen reports of the Speedbox tuner working on the Wabash and Crosscore?

thanks!

 

[McCorby]

I was negatively talking about the Civante. My bad. The bike is technically interesting, although only the U.S. and Switzerland can enjoy the 28 mph/45 kph e-road-bikes.

I simply hate e-bikes with the battery "hump" because it looks like a converted pedal bike Creo looks far better.

With all the recently posted mounting issues with some internal batteries (Specialized & Trek for example), I’ll gladly stick with my ”hump” for now!
Plus they are generally easier to remove and install and have a form factor that is easier to transport when used as a spare.

 

[Brendon@OEB]

you might know:

Is this why I've only seen reports of the Speedbox tuner working on the Wabash and Crosscore?

thanks!

I believe that "tuner" unlocks a 25kph bike to a 32kph bike, I wasn't aware of them exceeding that speed but I could be wrong.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

With all the recently posted mounting issues with some internal batteries (Specialized

Funny I experience no problems with the Vado and two batteries...

Plus many of the hump style batteries are more interchangeable with other e-bikes with the same motor system manufacturer.

Although it is to some extent true with Bosch (although even their batteries are not interchangeable, that is the "hump" one and the PowerTube), it is not quite right what you are saying. PW-X2 and SyncDrive Pro are both from Yamaha, while Yamaha and Giant batteries are not interchangeable.

But then again, what do I know? I shoot a Sony A7RIII and not a Pentax...

It is not the camera that takes pictures

 

[Ebiker01]

I also kind of dislike the 'hump" but it comes with a 5000$ discount... The Domane is 7k and Creo 9k.
This one, the Civante has s double crankset, 52T ring, and probably better quality then either of those 2.

 

[bikelifelite]

One positive thing about the battery is that I think you can expect Yamaha to produce the battery for years of not a decade.

Yamaha uses the same battery across different models and they keep models the same for a long time. Some might say that's bad but in my opinion as a car-less commuter who wants to keep my bike for a long time, I'd rather have new and used parts readily available over the cutting edge tech or design.

But that's why I have two Yamahas. One for commute, and the other is backup/modding.

 

[FlatSix911]

One positive thing about the battery is that I think you can expect Yamaha to produce the battery for years of not a decade.

Yamaha uses the same battery across different models and they keep models the same for a long time.
Some might say that's bad but in my opinion, as a car-less commuter who wants to keep my bike for a long time, I'd rather have new and used parts readily available over the cutting edge tech or design.

But that's why I have two Yamahas. One for commute and the other is backup/modding.

Agreed... Yamaha is in this market for the long run.

I have 2 bikes with Yamaha drive systems and the batteries are interchangeable.
The aftermarket has also started producing a high capacity battery... 745Wh

 

[Brendon@OEB]

Agreed... Yamaha is in this market for the long run.

I have 2 bikes with Yamaha drive systems and the batteries are interchangeable.
The aftermarket has also started producing a high capacity battery... 745Wh

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Agreed, I suspect Yamaha is making their first North American class 3 bike future proof to a degree. Granted we can't get those batteries in the states, still, Yamaha can release a long range battery of sorts and it can apply to their entire range.

 

[FlatSix911]

Agreed, I suspect Yamaha is making their first North American class 3 bike future proof to a degree.
Granted we can't get those batteries in the states, still, Yamaha can release a long range battery of sorts and it can apply to their entire range.

Exactly... that is the reason that I prefer the flexible design and capacity with external batteries.

 

[Ebiker01]

So at the higher end competing for the biggest sales we have now Yamaha vs Trek vs Specialized vs Giant ? I can write Stromer also but you all , already know my opinion of them...


Too bad BH left. That would have made the prices become cheaper.