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- Kitsap Co, WA
Hamlet, obviously.
It might be my own fate, soon.What could possibly be the need for such nonsense?
We had one of those in for service for a trashed derailleur. The Park lift groaned but still got it up in the air. The mechanic that did the work told me to take it for a spin. Damn. That thing is dangerous in the wrong hands.I think he collects aluminum cans.
I just did a tune, bleed, and lubed inside the motor on a 139 pound bike. It is actually a motorcycle with pedals and it goes, 44mph. Obscene.
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Massachusetts has had bottle and can deposit and return for decades. When it first was introduced, the free market ran the collection and payout. You could bring a marked container bought anywhere and get your refund. The refund center got to sell the material to make a profit. The problem is, the recycled commodities market is volatile, costs to run the center increase every year, and the fee they pay out stays the same. Not a good business model. One by one they all went bust. So a law was passed that if you sold products in marked containers, you had to take returns and pay out. The retailers insisted that they only take returns that they sell. Not a problem for really common items like Coke, but when you're talking about craft beer, it's a real problem. I used to recycle 100%, now I'm down to 50% because I buy from multiple stores, and it makes no sense to drive all over hell's half acre for a few cents. It was a good idea that should have been subsidized by the industry. Roadside debris hasn't dropped, it's just changed to water bottles, juice cans, and nips. Tons and tons of nips. I pick up dozens of them yearly off of my 140 foot roadfront.It might be my own fate, soon.
Poland has introduced a deposit-refund system for plastic and glass bottles as well as cans; a similar system has worked in Germany for many years. Meaning, I have accumulated a big number of such bottles in big plastic bags. Will need to carry them to a collection machine soon.
The issue is the system is greatly delayed and only few local stores can collect the deposit.
No, it is not because of any fines. Poles learned keeping the home country clean. It is just not right to litter the country.One Polish commenter replied ..In Poland no one throws trash, why would they, it is wrong, and they will recieve a large fine.
I chuckled for a long time
Is this actually true Stefan, or is it just the default horror of anyone questioning authority.
Stomp, our tragedy is the market here is still unprepared for the system. Yes, you can get the payout anywhere if the bottlemats existed but it is coming very slowly.Massachusetts has had bottle and can deposit and return for decades. When it first was introduced, the free market ran the collection and payout. You could bring a marked container bought anywhere and get your refund. The refund center got to sell the material to make a profit. The problem is, the recycled commodities market is volatile, costs to run the center increase every year, and the fee they pay out stays the same. Not a good business model. One by one they all went bust. So a law was passed that if you sold products in marked containers, you had to take returns and pay out. The retailers insisted that they only take returns that they sell. Not a problem for really common items like Coke, but when you're talking about craft beer, it's a real problem. I used to recycle 100%, now I'm down to 50% because I buy from multiple stores, and it makes no sense to drive all over hell's half acre for a few cents. It was a good idea that should have been subsidized by the industry. Roadside debris hasn't dropped, it's just changed to water bottles, juice cans, and nips. Tons and tons of nips. I pick up dozens of them yearly off of my 140 foot roadfront.
fee they pay out stays the same
It is true about the bottle return fee. The super poor collect bottles and each season due to inflation they make less. The transition to collecting copper is not an easy leap. In So. Cal. people are ripping out copper wire to street lights and taking aluminum guardrails from highways. In Pasadena an entire neighborhood went dark. It was restored and it happened again. In one small section of freeway $60,000 in guardrails were replaced. It used to be that you could buy for example orange juice concentrate to mix in your jug. No you can only buy orange juice from concentrate, in its own new jug that will be around for over ten-thousand years.That thing is dangerous in the wrong hands
This one sold before it was complete. The owner fell in love at first sight. Even the rims are pink. 750W.Pink used to be a man's colour