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[Petropoliskhan]

Stefan, no worries!
My St5 has all the bells and whistles. Full 850W. Certified as L1e-b with license plate, insurance etc..

 

[Johnny]

This seems to be an appropriate time to make use of the ignore button. Life is too short and there are enough helpful and sincere people, there is no need to tolerate trolls, name callers and hotheads.

I return all of your insults back to you. Up to this point I have never in these forums name called or personally insulted anyone , NEVER but when someone outright insults me it comes to this.
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[Johnny]

Hi Stefan, Stromer bikes are not illegal in Europe , outside of Switzerland. They are in fact one of the most popular sp brands in Belgium ( where I'm from) , the Netherlands where they have a huge market share and dealer representation and also in Germany and France , as far as I know.

Thank you for debunking this myth that is spread under almost every thread...

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Not to say the Stromer is an e-bike or even pretending to be. That's a pure moped. Yes, it's got pedals

 

[Petropoliskhan]

Thank you for debunking this myth that is spread under almost every thread...

My pleasure!

 

[Johnny]

Not to say the Stromer is an e-bike or even pretending to be. That's a pure moped. Yes, it's got pedals

Stefan I used to like you, I still tried not to break your heart even when we are completely in disagreement however it seems you don't have such reservations.

This claim of yours is completely false. Your Vado is as much of a moped as Stromer especially when you are putting 80W while getting 400W from your motor( like when you pretend to pedal in some of your rides).
It seems your claim of Stromer being illlegal in EU is also false.

Maybe you should fact check what you write before you post them.

 

[Petropoliskhan]

Not to say the Stromer is an e-bike or even pretending to be. That's a pure moped. Yes, it's got pedals

I guess you’re trying to be funny and or lighthearted . So benefit of the doubt...Yes the stromers are somewhat beefy and I appreciate that you may not enjoy the riding sensations provided by a superbly engineered hub motor/ controller combo. That you prefer the “natural “ feel of your mid drive system.
Do you ever wonder why so many people are willing to pay way above what you say is tops and premium?
Maybe they actually really enjoy their purchase. Perhaps they’ve done their homework/research and come to the conclusion that it is worth the extra $$$ any perhaps even the occasional headache. That their perceived experience is superior to that provided by other systems?
The fanboy stuff is sometimes fun, but after countless threads becomes tiresome. I come here for real experience by knowledgeable people. I have learned a lot by many of the contributors to this thread. I respect your opinion. Can we just agree to disagree and move on?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I'm a cyclist by heart. With 850 W motor, you do not do much cycling, do you. OK, for the pure commuter purpose that's fine. An ICE moped would be even better (zero sweat).
Still...
1. Smartphone connectivity?
2. Has any of you, Petro, Johnny replaced the tyre of the rear Stromer wheel in the field conditions?

 

[Johnny]

I'm a cyclist by heart. With 850 W motor, you do not do much cycling, do you. OK, for the pure commuter purpose that's fine.

This person in the link is also a forum member, he rides his stromer with power meter pedals(very accurate ones). At the end of his 1 hour commute he averages 279W!!!
I myself average around 240-250W when I am riding my mid drive and from the feeling I can say that put a similar effort when I am riding Stromer (I keep the assist level low, don't have a power meter yet but feeling wise it feels close). And lately if I go out late at night but want to have a good exercise on a short ride I turn on recoup(since riding it off is not enough exercise) and it becomes a very nice exercise bike while keeping safe and slow. I don't know if I am a cyclist by heart but I get quite a bit of an exercise on my stromer.

Just because it can support up to 850W does not mean that you have to use it. You are an engineer Stefan, you are well aware of the fact that this is a torque sensing high quality bike and can not be compared to a moped. but you still claim these stuff.
Once again your claim is false.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

To each their own

 

[Petropoliskhan]

I'm a cyclist by heart. With 850 W motor, you do not do much cycling, do you. OK, for the pure commuter purpose that's fine. An ICE moped would be even better (zero sweat).
Still...
1. Smartphone connectivity?
2. Has any of you, Petro, Johnny replaced the tyre of the rear Stromer wheel in the field conditions?

Hmmm Stefan... I am a little concerned with what you’re doing.
You’re trying too hard...
As with any ebike and or sp, you are aware that they come with multiple levels of assist. So if one chooses to sweat, it is possible. Need I remind you what pedal assist means? You do know that there are no throttles on any Stromers.

I'm a cyclist by heart. With 850 W motor, you do not do much cycling, do you. OK, for the pure commuter purpose that's fine. An ICE moped would be even better (zero sweat).
Still...
1. Smartphone connectivity?
2. Has any of you, Petro, Johnny replaced the tyre of the rear Stromer wheel in the field conditions?

You’re right about the connectivity issues. It is a gimmicky mess. I could live without.
I have ridden nearly 1200kms with zero tire, mechanical , electrical issues. The performance of the bike has been superb and flawless .
It is fun and I like to ride fast. I feel that the ST5 rewards the effort I put into the pedals by giving me more of what I like. The reward was just not as satisfying, for me, riding the Bosch gen 4 speed. You say you’re a cyclist by heart. Why don’t you go ahead and ride a with lower levels of assist ( bosch active lines??) better yet why bother with a motor at all ????
I have not yet had the”pleasure” of removing the rear wheel and having to fix the tire in the field. Doing it at home requires some care so as to not mess up the torque sensor but isn’t complicated if you have the right tools.I ride with great tires that are thick and and provide serious puncture protection.
With regard to climbing ability.
You do know that Stromer is a swiss based company. You are aware that it is a very mountainous country. The Swiss are generally considered to be comfortable financially (if not rich) meaning they have choices and yet choose to buy these bikes en masse. Are they all delusional???
No one that has owned and or ridden a stromer has ever pretended that it would beat or outperform a Mtb on a mtb setting/trail. Only that it is verifiably faster and better suited as a commuter bike on paved roads that are not comically or “caricaturely “ graded.
@Johnny , @Ravi Kempaiah , @AbeK and many others have bought/owned/ridden/repaired both mid and hub (stromer) bike. @Ravi Kempaiah even created a new bike company and had plans to market both types of drives.They all have stated this repeatedly .

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Why don’t you go ahead and ride a with lower levels of assist ( bosch active lines??) better yet why bother with a motor at all ????

• I can configure my Vado assist in 1% increments. Reconfigure very often.
• For health reason. I need to ride a lot to exercise but the shape of my health disallows me riding unassisted.

Ride On!

 

[Petropoliskhan]

• I can configure my Vado assist in 1% increments. Reconfigure very often.
• For health reason. I need to ride a lot to exercise but the shape of my health disallows me riding unassisted.

Ride On!

I am glad that you have found a bike that is suitably configurable that brings you joy . Stay healthy!
I will ride on!

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

A new forum guideline would make this sub-forum " Help me choose an E-bike" more valuable.

If you do not have at least 500 miles of experience on a bike, you can not simply make a sweeping, opinionated statement about that brand or bike, especially when new riders ask for advice.
Sharing an informed opinion is one thing but simply posting one's opinion without back up experience skews the perception for new riders seeking knowledge.
If a brand has a track record of poor customer service or faulty design, members can share or point out to a thread/s.

Otherwise, the ones with the most time on their hand can go on promoting one certain brand and it really diminishes the value of this sub-forum. It becomes an echo chamber for a few individuals.
It is my personal belief that what EBR needs is the collective knowledge that is backed up by the personal experiences of owning/riding an E-bike by several members. So, everybody benefits from this in the end.

 

[Alaskan]

A new forum guideline would make this sub-forum " Help me choose an E-bike" more valuable.

If you do not have at least 500 miles of experience on a bike, you can not simply make a sweeping, opinionated statement about that brand or bike, especially when new riders ask for advice.
Sharing an informed opinion is one thing but simply posting one's opinion without back up experience skews the perception for new riders seeking knowledge.
If a brand has a track record of poor customer service or faulty design, members can share or point out to a thread/s.

Otherwise, the ones with the most time on their hand can go on promoting one certain brand and it really diminishes the value of this sub-forum. It becomes an echo chamber for a few individuals.
It is my personal belief that what EBR needs is the collective knowledge that is backed up by the personal experiences of owning/riding an E-bike by several members. So, everybody benefits from this in the end.

Point very well taken. This would do much to enhance credibility and the value of advice given.

One exception I think might be valid is that, even if you have no experience riding a particular brand, but are aware of there being numerous posts and reports of a particular brand having trouble providing parts and service or financial difficulties, it is would be of value to the person in inquiring to know that they need to look into those issues before committing to a purchase.

If it is stated as an advisory or caution rather than as a fact, for example: "There have been several posts and warning posted here about ______ebikes in the brand specific forum. It would be wise, before committing to a purchase, to check these out and do further research on the company, and its reputation for service, parts and helping its customers keep their bikes on the road."

 

[Petropoliskhan]

Point very well taken. This would do much to enhance credibility and the value of advice given. One exception I think might be valid is that, even if you have no experience riding a particular brand, if there have been numerous

A new forum guideline would make this sub-forum " Help me choose an E-bike" more valuable.

If you do not have at least 500 miles of experience on a bike, you can not simply make a sweeping, opinionated statement about that brand or bike, especially when new riders ask for advice.
Sharing an informed opinion is one thing but simply posting one's opinion without back up experience skews the perception for new riders seeking knowledge.
If a brand has a track record of poor customer service or faulty design, members can share or point out to a thread/s.

Otherwise, the ones with the most time on their hand can go on promoting one certain brand and it really diminishes the value of this sub-forum. It becomes an echo chamber for a few individuals.
It is my personal belief that what EBR needs is the collective knowledge that is backed up by the personal experiences of owning/riding an E-bike by several members. So, everybody benefits from this in the end.

Agreed, point taken. Moving on...

 

[Stefan Mikes]

If you do not have at least 500 miles of experience on a bike, you can not simply make a sweeping, opinionated statement about that brand or bike, especially when new riders ask for advice.

Will it suffice, Ravi? It is 7835 miles.

Grizzle - Specialized Turbo Vado
Lovelek - Lovelec Diadem
Monster - Giant Trance E+

I can make opinionated statements on Vado, Lovelec and Giant. That's why I recommend S-Pedelec Vado to the OP, and Giant Trance E+ to members interested in e-MTB.

 

[Johnny]

If you do not have at least 500 miles of experience on a bike, you can not simply make a sweeping, opinionated statement about that brand or bike, especially when new riders ask for advice.

Completely agree and there should be no exceptions.
Voicing a concern by referencing other people's experiences is one thing, constantly demoting a product's reliability/ warranty process without having any first hand experience/knowledge with a similar product is another.

I have had many conversations with @Ravi Kempaiah and he has been such a great help every time. Before I purchased my stromer I sought his advice because he has an extensive knowledge and experience with those bikes. His advice was/is always spot on and my experience mirrored his after 1200 miles. Unfortunately in forums or social media in general it is so easy to spread misinformation and newcomers are greeted with this smokescreen instead of sensible advice.

 

[Johnny]

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Will it suffice, Ravi? It is 7835 miles.

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Grizzle - Specialized Turbo Vado
Lovelek - Lovelec Diadem
Monster - Giant Trance E+

I can make opinionated statements on Vado, Lovelec and Giant. That's why I recommend S-Pedelec Vado to the OP, and Giant Trance E+ to members interested in e-MTB.

I am certain that you understand what is meant in that statement but still playing this game. Look up what "sweeping statement" mean.

According to what you have posted you never had any experience with a Stromer (or a Bosch mid drive or Rohloff) hence your posts where you bash these products are nothing more than sweeping statements...

 

[Stefan Mikes]

am certain that you understand what is meant in that statement but still playing this game.

Oh, sure I do:

I can make opinionated statements on Vado, Lovelec and Giant. That's why I recommend S-Pedelec Vado to the OP, and Giant Trance E+ to members interested in e-MTB.

I'm not sure you have understood my English though. I'd also like to know how many miles you have ridden on Specialized Vado or Trek Allant+ S e-bikes you have criticized.