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[Johnny]

I own one bike which is very close to Cube hybrid, A stromer , an emtb and I happened to also rode Allant 9.9s.

Although @Alaskan has good points I will have to disagree with him on Allant as a commuter, sorry.

1. If I go for a mid drive for commuting 35miles a day I would definitely go for rohloff. High speed commuting on a mid drive puts so much stress on the chain and constantly dealing with chain and sprocket change is not nice when commuting. Stromer with the hub does not suffer from this, depending on the rider input the chain life is usually longer than a regular bike.

2. Comfort. 9.9s as given is similar in comfort to ST3 (st3 was a bit better probably due to higher volume tires or frame being heavier)and honestly both are not very good if you happen to ride on roads with patches of uneven surface. Both bikes can be made more comfortable with a seatpost suspension.

3. But more importantly at higher speeds hitting a crack, pothole is dangerous. ST3 has a front suspension option that significantly improves handling on uneven surfaces while still feeling like a solid fork. You can not put a suspension fork to 9.9s.

4. If you like to commute at higher speeds 25mph + stromer is more powerful than any mainstream mid drive including bosch and it will be far easier to keep those speeds. Stromer for high speed commuting is in a different league. At higher speeds stromer has been more efficient compared to my bosch mid drives, while bosch is more efficient at climbing steep hills (%15+) at lower speeds.

It is not all roses though, stromer is heavy. Allant ,while not very light, is significantly lighter with a single battery. Yes changing the rear tire is harder. However the tires on stromer are quite a bit thicker and more puncture proof than any other bike tire I have ridden. Stromer feels much more stable on the road moreover recoup makes your brakes last a very long time.

In terms of warranty, stromer actually has a very good warranty if you are getting it from a local bike shop. On the other hand finding a trek dealer is much easier. Their warranty coverage are actually quite similar. (stromer also updated their torque sensor and some internal components hence the reliability should be quite a bit better now but still trek has a better track record).

So given you are buying it locally st3 is a far superior commuter.

 

[Alaskan]

Stromer has reportedly all but abandoned North America when it comes to service. This forum has way too many people griping about lack of support, tech help, parts and frequent firmware issues. Touting Stromer bikes in the USA for a reliable commuter under these circumstances is a mistake. Do some searching on this forum at the brand forum level and read about all three brands and the issues owners have had with them.

My Allant went 1,400 miles on its first chain before wearing down to the .5% point at which it was changed. The cassette is still good at 2,200 miles. I have purchased spares for the four smallest cogs 10t,12t, 14t & 16t as spares which are the ones that wear out first as they engage and transmit their force over the fewest teeth. replacing these on the original 12 speed cassette should double its life and are easy to replace with the right tools.

In order to achieve some added comfort and compliance on the Allant with no suspension, I added a body float, adjustable, sprung, parallelogram seat post and a Baramind shock absorbing handlebar. It is not as cushy as the fully suspended Delite with its full Fox suspension. I have put over 2200 miles on my Allant in less than a year and at 70 find it to be almost as comfortable to ride as the Delight. One could also replace the fixed carbon fork with a decent air fork or even a zero maintenance Lauf Fork. Also the carbon fiber frame of the Allant 9.9 adds quite a bit of comfort, absorbing much of the vibrational energy the comes off the smaller road surface irregularities that can cause rider fatigue. I was pleasantly surprised how comfortable the bikes, coming off a fully suspended bike.

I have almost 6,000 miles on my Delite and love the bike but for steady daily street riding at speed, the Allant is my goto bike, has been remarkably reliable and the service at our local Trek shop adds great value and reassurance that the bike can be counted on.

FYI I did buy a Riese & Muller Homage Rohloff HS with E14 in 2019. The much vaunted, "bulletproof, maintenance free" Rohloff developed an oil leak from an inner seal leaving a puddle of oil on my basement floor and causing the bike to be out of service, sitting in the shop, awaiting hard to get repairs for almost three months in its first year. I know of several other R&M owner to whom this occurred.

Rohloffs are great when they run without issues which is most of the time, but when they have problems it can be agonizing and frustrating getting them fixed. Derailleur and chain drive systems do require more routine maintenance but when it is needed, the parts are generally readily found in stock at most local bike shops and working on them is straightforward for home mechanics and any competent tech at any LBS can fix your bike if you not into that part of biking. With less "exotic" equipment your down time will be a few days at worst instead of months.

 

[Johnny]

Stromer has reportedly all but abandoned North America when it comes to service. This forum has way too many people griping about lack of support, tech help, parts and frequent firmware issues. Touting Stromer bikes in the USA for a reliable commuter under these circumstances is a mistake. Do some searching on this forum at the brand forum level and read about all three brands and the issues owners have had with them.

I am sorry but you are mistaken. You don't own a Stromer ST3/ST5 hence your conclusions are based on what you read. I also did make research before getting my ST5 and I was also expecting the worst however so far the experience has been the exact opposite.

I recently(last month ! ) had to go for a warranty repair. The customer support was excellent. Not only they changed the part which was defective they also went out of their way and upgraded my junction box,sensor etc. to make the bike future proof(and those parts were functioning properly) without me saying anything about it. Moreover It was done in a very timely manner despite the pandemic. This may be partly because they have new people in their US headquarters, nonetheless it is very impressive! It was a major overhaul still I received the bike back in less than two weeks (actual time was around one week).
It is possible that they have improved their service because of the feedback they have received. From my recent experience I think a new stromer from a good lbs should be fine.
The chain life on mine has been very good, , so far at around 1200 miles when I measure the chain with my caliper it still measures almost brand new(%0.06-0.1). I will see what I will get but if I pushed the chain the same way on my Bosch I am certain that it wouldn't last more than 1500 before hitting %0.5.

I also believe there is a big thread on failed rear wheel hub on allant 9.9s? Didn't yours go through warranty repairs too? How long did it take ?

I thought carbon Allant frame did not take a suspension fork does it? The suspension fork on stromer is not just for comfort it makes handling significantly better at higher speeds. The difference for me has been night and day. In terms of comfort, you have done many upgrades(lowering tire pressure, dampening handlebars, seat post suspension) and I think they bring far more comfort than anything your carbon frame brings. The real problem is none of those upgrades bring the handling benefit of a high quality front fork suspension when you hit uneven patches at higher speeds.

FYI I did buy a Riese & Muller Homage Rohloff HS with E14 in 2019. The much vaunted, "bulletproof, maintenance free" Rohloff developed an oil leak from an inner seal leaving a puddle of oil on my basement floor and causing the bike to be out of service, sitting in the shop, awaiting hard to get repairs for almost three months in its first year. I know of several other R&M owner to whom this occurred.

Now, I value your experience and this information you are giving here. What you went through is frustrating and I think this should be taken into account for anyone who considers a Rohloff. Since I don't have first hand long term experience on rohloff I am not commenting on the leak issue and leaving it to people like you who actually have first hand experience.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Lifetime
Framesets (frame and rigid fork), main frame, and full suspension swing arms for the lifetime of the original owner
Bontrager wheels with carbon rims

That's unique! Good to know.

bulls is another one a little lower cost with a choice of motors. never had a problem getting it worked on.

There is a single 45 km/h Bulls model for EU: Bulls E-Stream Evo 45 AM. That might be a fine choice as S-Pedelec e-MTB but I have never ridden it.

Given the LBS is close by ST3 is by far the best commuter compared to all of the other choices. Especially for a 34mile roundtrip everyday.

I will be able to discuss this when you move to the European Union Johnny. Stromer e-bikes are illegal in Europe (outside Switzerland). Marco is from Italy, one of the leading EU countries.

Should I constantly write about specialized frames cracking, brose mid drives having belt issues, rohloff is leaking, bosch cx having bearing failures, allant 9.9 having rear hub problems ?

Many of these points are the matter of the past. Trek, Specialized and other premium brands identified the problems. Moreover, any issues are actively solved by the brand dealers under warranty. Don't expect the same for Stromer in the EU (where Stromer e-bikes are illegal).

Regarding the Specialized Vado 6.0: It may be a different model number available in U.S. On the Specialized website the highest number available is the Vado 5.0. I suspect it’s the same as the 6.0 that is available in other countries.

Current EU Vado 6.0 is very much different from the U.S Vado 5.0. Specifically, it is equipped with safety gear, has different motor, and is certified for the EU. (It was different in 2017-2018 but even at those times EU Vado 5.0-6.0 had a number-plate support, braking indicators, and was certified for EU). U.S. Vado 5.0 is the 25 km/h EU Vado 5.0 with the speed limit raised to 28 mph.

Okay, I own two of the bikes you are looking at, I have a 2018 Riese & Muller Delite Mountain with derailleur and a 2020 Trek Allant+9.9s.

I also used to have a Cube Touring Hybrid 500 Ecx. The Cube was a solid bike with some good components, some not so much. and not particularly comfortable.

Good report. From my side, I can only say my S-Pedelec Turbo Vado had zero issues since I bought it. Moreover, Specialized upgraded my 2017 S-Pedelec Vado 5.0 to 2020 Vado 6.0 electronics free of charge, just by following the warranty.

My 2020-upgraded 45 km/h Vado, fully street legal in the European Union. 5978 km ridden in 15 months, zero issues.

 

[e-boy]

Nice Trek Alaskan !
What seat bag is that ?

 

[Alaskan]

I also believe there is a big thread on failed rear wheel hub on allant 9.9s? Didn't yours go through warranty repairs too? How long did it take ?

Nice Trek Alaskan !
What seat bag is that ?

It is a Brooks Isle of Wight

Brooks Isle of Wight Saddle Bag Medium Black

<p>The Isle of Wight Saddle Bag is a smart, practical bag to accompany the rider on every journey. Constructed from waterproof bluesign(r) material and geniune Brooks Leather, the bag features a unique double zip for easy access to your valuables, with room enough for multi tools, an innertube...

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[Alaskan]

I also believe there is a big thread on failed rear wheel hub on allant 9.9s? Didn't yours go through warranty repairs too? How long did it take ?

Glad to hear your experience with Stromer is better than most others that have been reported on here.

My original microspline hub, made by Shimano, failed at just 150 miles. I stopped by the local Trek shop, just over a mile down the hill from our house. They took the bike in, canibalized the internals from another hub and had me back up and running in three hours. 200 miles later the hub failed again. What happened both times was the spring to the pawl either broke or came loose and jammed up the clutch mechanism.

With the second failure, I suggested we consider a different hub that could serve reliably. The tech at the shop suggested Onyx hubs who he understood were coming out with a micrspline version of their instant engagement, silent coasting, sprag clutch hub. It is a retail $425 item and was just going into production so not yet actually available.

They took a laced up wheel that would fit my bike off of another bike that had the DT Swiss microspline hub on it and put my cassette and tire on it, mounted it to my bike and sent me on my way. I was able to ride while we waited about six weeks for Onyx to get their late arriving parts (covid delays) in for the new hub assembly. They charged me $45 to lace in the new Onyx hub when it arrived which it did gladly. It is a superb upgrade to the original hub and has worked without a hitch for almost 2,000 miles.

This is what I define as service above and beyond. I now have a strong bias in favor of Trek bikes going forward because of the quality of bikes and the quality of the people and service.

Tech

Video: How an Onyx instant engagement hub works Sprag Clutch – Onyx Racing Products uses sprag clutches in its rear bike hubs. Sprag clutches are unique because they engage instantly but operate silently. In addition, all sprag elements maintain gentle contact with the driver and hub body...

onyxrp.com

 

[Johnny]

Glad to hear your experience with Stromer is better than most others that have been reported on here.

My original microspline hub, made by Shimano, failed at just 150 miles. I stopped by the local Trek shop, just over a mile down the hill from our house. They took the bike in, canibalized the internals from another hub and had me back up and running in three hours. 200 miles later the hub failed again. What happened both times was the spring to the pawl either broke or came loose and jammed up the clutch mechanism.

With the second failure, I suggested we consider a different hub that could serve reliably. The tech at the shop suggested Onyx hubs who he understood were coming out with a micrspline version of their instant engagement, silent coasting, sprag clutch hub. It is a retail $425 item and was just going into production so not yet actually available.

They took a laced up wheel that would fit my bike off of another bike that had the DT Swiss microspline hub on it and put my cassette and tire on it, mounted it to my bike and sent me on my way. I was able to ride while we waited about six weeks for Onyx to get their late arriving parts (covid delays) in for the new hub assembly. They charged me $45 to lace in the new Onyx hub when it arrived which it did gladly. It is a superb upgrade to the original hub and has worked without a hitch for almost 2,000 miles.

This is what I define as service above and beyond. I now have a strong bias in favor of Trek bikes going forward because of the quality of bikes and the quality of the people and service.

Tech

Video: How an Onyx instant engagement hub works Sprag Clutch – Onyx Racing Products uses sprag clutches in its rear bike hubs. Sprag clutches are unique because they engage instantly but operate silently. In addition, all sprag elements maintain gentle contact with the driver and hub body...

onyxrp.com

I am happy to see that, given that you had two back to back hub failures on a brand new expensive bike (which was caused by a bad component choice by the company), they did what they should.

In terms of upgrades I checked my invoice and it seems the additional parts they changed/upgraded on my stromer were around $750-800 in parts on top of an already expensive warranty replacement part. The shop time of 1 week includes these items arriving at the LBS too. Moreover my bike was not brand new! All of these new parts have new warranties on them too.
This is as good as it gets.

There are many more quality people, Lbs' and brands out there.

 

[Alaskan]

I am happy to see that, given that you had two back to back hub failures on a brand new expensive bike (which was caused by a bad component choice by the company), they did what they should.

That assumes quite a bit.

It may well have been an excellent choice of hubs based on printed specs and even possibly based on past performance on other bikes. However, it may be that Shimano sold Trek a bad batch of hubs that only became evident when people started riding the bikes in which they were installed.

Based on all the other component choices Trek made in specing out this bike, they were not trying to do anything on the cheap.

It may have been that the company that supplies Shimano with the springs for the pawl, substituted an inferior alloy in the making of the spring or didn't use properly tempered metal on a particular batch the ultimately found it way to Trek. No one is talking so we don't know who or where the screw up happened. All I know is Trek handled the matter as well as can be expected.

 

[Petropoliskhan]

That's unique! Good to know.

There is a single 45 km/h Bulls model for EU: Bulls E-Stream Evo 45 AM. That might be a fine choice as S-Pedelec e-MTB but I have never ridden it.


I will be able to discuss this when you move to the European Union Johnny. Stromer e-bikes are illegal in Europe (outside Switzerland). Marco is from Italy, one of the leading EU countries.


Many of these points are the matter of the past. Trek, Specialized and other premium brands identified the problems. Moreover, any issues are actively solved by the brand dealers under warranty. Don't expect the same for Stromer in the EU (where Stromer e-bikes are illegal).


Current EU Vado 6.0 is very much different from the U.S Vado 5.0. Specifically, it is equipped with safety gear, has different motor, and is certified for the EU. (It was different in 2017-2018 but even at those times EU Vado 5.0-6.0 had a number-plate support, braking indicators, and was certified for EU). U.S. Vado 5.0 is the 25 km/h EU Vado 5.0 with the speed limit raised to 28 mph.


Good report. From my side, I can only say my S-Pedelec Turbo Vado had zero issues since I bought it. Moreover, Specialized upgraded my 2017 S-Pedelec Vado 5.0 to 2020 Vado 6.0 electronics free of charge, just by following the warranty.

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My 2020-upgraded 45 km/h Vado, fully street legal in the European Union. 5978 km ridden in 15 months, zero issues.

@Stefan Mikes

That's unique! Good to know.

There is a single 45 km/h Bulls model for EU: Bulls E-Stream Evo 45 AM. That might be a fine choice as S-Pedelec e-MTB but I have never ridden it.


I will be able to discuss this when you move to the European Union Johnny. Stromer e-bikes are illegal in Europe (outside Switzerland). Marco is from Italy, one of the leading EU countries.


Many of these points are the matter of the past. Trek, Specialized and other premium brands identified the problems. Moreover, any issues are actively solved by the brand dealers under warranty. Don't expect the same for Stromer in the EU (where Stromer e-bikes are illegal).


Current EU Vado 6.0 is very much different from the U.S Vado 5.0. Specifically, it is equipped with safety gear, has different motor, and is certified for the EU. (It was different in 2017-2018 but even at those times EU Vado 5.0-6.0 had a number-plate support, braking indicators, and was certified for EU). U.S. Vado 5.0 is the 25 km/h EU Vado 5.0 with the speed limit raised to 28 mph.


Good report. From my side, I can only say my S-Pedelec Turbo Vado had zero issues since I bought it. Moreover, Specialized upgraded my 2017 S-Pedelec Vado 5.0 to 2020 Vado 6.0 electronics free of charge, just by following the warranty.

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My 2020-upgraded 45 km/h Vado, fully street legal in the European Union. 5978 km ridden in 15 months, zero issues.

Hi Stefan, Stromer bikes are not illegal in Europe , outside of Switzerland. They are in fact one of the most popular sp brands in Belgium ( where I'm from) , the Netherlands where they have a huge market share and dealer representation and also in Germany and France , as far as I know.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

What is the motor power and max speed of Stromer e-bikes sold in Germany?

 

[Akrotiri]

@Stefan Mikes

Hi Stefan, Stromer bikes are not illegal in Europe , outside of Switzerland. They are in fact one of the most popular sp brands in Belgium ( where I'm from) , the Netherlands where they have a huge market share and dealer representation and also in Germany and France , as far as I know.

That’s not what I’m seeing when I’m living there.

I split my time between Leuven and Greece for business throughout most of the duration of the pandemic and currently Belgium’s non-essential travel ban that was enacted about a month or so ago.

In Leuven cars essentially aren’t even allowed to drive into the city and I have yet to see a Stromer, let alone a Stromer s-pedelec. However, I see just about every other high-end euro brand and s-pedelec.

I purchased my non-electric Koga from one of the largest if not the largest seller of high-end ebikes & bikes in Antwerp. They had numerous of each and every premium ebike & bike brand but not one stromer. Their most popular ebikes were all mid-drives ; idworx, Bergamont, Gazelle, urban arrow cargo, Koga e-traveler and Qwic.

The only non-mid drive ebikes they had was Ellio, Klever and mtb-cycletech which were s-pedelecs. No stromers despite having several very high-end non-mid drive s-pedelecs. I should note that mtb-cycletech is a Swiss company like stromer.

Take a look for yourself, none of their 45kph ebikes are stromer.

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[Petropoliskhan]

That’s not what I’m seeing when I’m living there.

I split my time between Leuven and Greece for business throughout most of the duration of the pandemic and currently Belgium’s non-essential travel ban that was enacted about a month or so ago.

In Leuven cars essentially aren’t even allowed to drive into the city and I have yet to see a Stromer, let alone a Stromer s-pedelec. However, I see just about every other high-end euro brand and s-pedelec.

I purchased my non-electric Koga from one of the largest if not the largest seller of high-end ebikes & bikes in Antwerp. They had numerous of each and every premium ebike & bike brand but not one stromer. Their most popular ebikes were all mid-drives ; idworx, Bergamont, Gazelle, urban arrow cargo, Koga e-traveler and Qwic.

The only non-mid drive ebikes they had was Ellio, Klever and mtb-cycletech which were s-pedelecs. No stromers despite having several very high-end non-mid drive s-pedelecs. I should note that mtb-cycletech is a Swiss company like stromer.

Take a look for yourself, none of their 45kph ebikes are stromer.

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Stefan, thank you for your reply. I agree with you that one very rarely sees Stromers on the road. This doesn’t mean that they’re illegal. It is more of a reflection of their very high price and of cycling culture in general. I haven’t been to Leuven in a very long time and it was well before developing an interest in SP’s but I can assure you that if you were to spend some time in northern Belgium ( Ghent,Antwerp, Brugge) and Holland you would see many of them. Relatively speaking among the myriad ebikes and other sp’s you mentioned above. My stromer ST5 is legal it has a license plate a certificate of conformity and is fully insured.

 

[Alaskan]

I have always had Stromer on my wish list. However after the implosion of their support network in No and commentary, over the past few years about lack of service, personnel and long delays in getting answers, tech support and parts, Stromer has been on my watch list but not taken seriously. I have not heard nor read much of anything that has convinced me that Stromer has rectified their lack of adequate support in North America. In fairness, it must be admitted that Riese & Muller's North American support network is not the strongest either. It has significant room for improvement and has some very real gaps that should be closed.

Recommending a bike for a commuter should be based not just on how cool, well designed or well equipped the bike is but also how well the company has lined up and committed resources to supporting the reliable operation of their bikes. A person buying a bike to commute needs a much higher level of reliability than the occasional sport or exercise rider, as they are depending on that bike to get to and from work every day. This is the reason I would not make R&M or Stromer as a top recommendation for a commuter in North America.

My experience with Trek puts them at the top of this list.

 

[Akrotiri]

Stefan, thank you for your reply. I agree with you that one very rarely sees Stromers on the road. This doesn’t mean that they’re illegal. It is more of a reflection of their very high price and of cycling culture in general. I haven’t been to Leuven in a very long time and it was well before developing an interest in SP’s but I can assure you that if you were to spend some time in northern Belgium ( Ghent,Antwerp, Brugge) and Holland you would see many of them. Relatively speaking among the myriad ebikes and other sp’s you mentioned above. My stromer ST5 is legal it has a license plate a certificate of conformity and is fully insured.

I never said stromers were illegal. Any 45kph ebike is legal in the EU as long as it’s insured , has brake lights and license plates.

My critiques on stromer were their reliability and dealer support network or lack there of.

When I’m in Belgium again next month and things open up completely together with the warmer weather I’ll spend some more time in Brussels and Antwerp and perhaps I’ll be proven wrong about the amount of stromers on the road.

 

[Johnny]

Recommending a bike for a commuter should be based not just on how cool, well designed or well equipped the bike is but also how well the company has lined up and committed resources to supporting the reliable operation of their bikes. A person buying a bike to commute needs a much higher level of reliability than the occasional sport or exercise rider, as they are depending on that bike to get to and from work every day. This is the reason I would not make R&M or Stromer as a top recommendation for a commuter in North America.

Who is recommending the bike because it is cool ? I have given you a detailed reasoning here https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/wich-speed-pedelec.40983/post-392675. Where is the "cool" part ?

You haven't given any reason other than Trek being good at warranty claims on why 9.9S is a good commuter? Are you commuting with your bike ? For example why would you pick an expensive 12 speed drivetrain over a cheaper 10 speed one on a commuter? That would just make the maintenance even more expensive.

Stromer has reportedly all but abandoned North America when it comes to service.

Reported by who ? According to my recent experience this is completely false. They have returned to all of my emails the next day or the same day? If you like to know what is what email their headquarters.

I am constantly mentioning buying it from a good LBS anyways. I am giving it as a prerequisite. Given a good lbs where I live their warranty process works very well.


What is going on in these forums!!! False claims(The individual's post in which he insulted me is deleted, I want to thank moderation for that. I am editing my statement too since that post is removed) etc.

 

[Petropoliskhan]

I never said stromers were illegal. Any 45kph ebike is legal in the EU as long as it’s insured , has brake lights and license plates.

My critiques on stromer were their reliability and dealer support network or lack there of.

When I’m in Belgium again next month and things open up completely together with the warmer weather I’ll spend some more time in Brussels and Antwerp and perhaps I’ll be proven wrong about the amount of stromers on the road.

Akrotiri, my bad. I must’ve clicked on the wrong thing. I thought I was replying to @Stefanmikes, who I’m pretty sure has made that assertion a couple of times before.
As for seeing a Stromer on the streets, it is akin to seeing Ferraris or Lamborghinis. I have only encountered them around Brussels 4or5 times. They’re crazy expensive so one doesn’t see them often. I happen to have a Lbs near me that also happens to be one of 3 worldwide Stromer “concept stores”. They sold me my nearly new St5. The service has been excellent even though the availability of certain parts has been problematic. ( some patience required) I believe that the supply chain for many industries has been disrupted ( “ in these challenging times “).

 

[Alaskan]

This seems to be an appropriate time to make use of the ignore button. Life is too short and there are enough helpful and sincere people, there is no need to tolerate trolls, name callers and hotheads.

Apologies to the OP. Some members seem to turn everything they participate in into a conflict.

Hopefully the OP has gleaned the information he was seeking and is closer to being able to make an informed decision.

@Marco78 Please let us know which way you go and how it works out.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

@Petropoliskhan, I assume the EU version of Stromer is not the same as available in Switzerland? If you say Stromer equipped their EU version with all bells and whistled required by the L1e-B type then I was wrong. Sorry!

 

[Petropoliskhan]

@Petropoliskhan, I assume the EU version of Stromer is not the same as available in Switzerland? If you say Stromer equipped their EU version with all bells and whistled required by the L1e-B type then I was wrong. Sorry!