What is History to You?

well of course since you don't know americas history. but most of what you say is like word salad and no clue where your going. its like shoving everything in a bag and shaking it up with some dressing.
Well, foofie, I know where to place an apostrophe, so I'm two up on you, at least; "America's", not "americas", and "you're", not "your". You're (you are) at minimum, a figure of fun.
It's hardly a wonder that you find my writings to be a puzzle, since you are at a low grade school level...perhaps third grade, near the bottom of the class.
 
Well, foofie, I know where to place an apostrophe, so I'm two up on you, at least; "America's", not "americas", and "you're", not "your". You're (you are) at minimum, a figure of fun.
well you got me there. But still your giving Alex Jones a run for the money.
 
or we need to stop venerating the traitors of the past. the South never let go of the past and tried to keep it alive. what id Germany had nazi lane hitler high school? even Lee said the flag should be burned it was a traitor's flag. keeping the traitors alive is not learning from the past its trying to keep the past alive.
This sounds about right. There is a difference between remembering and venerating or honoring the past. We (Americans) have made some shameful mistakes, even if not everyone understood our errors at the time. I think it's right to remember and even study those mistakes so we can hope to never repeat them. That can be done without erecting statues of the perpetrators. The past can be remembered even if those statues are torn down.

Some of our mistakes can never be made right and any human being should be ashamed of them. Victims were certainly victimized, and I don't mean to minimize that at all, but even the victims can be ashamed of what we, as homo sapiens, did.

We should own our history even if it doesn't always make us proud.

Sadly, ominously, we are still making grave mistakes.

TT
 
Once again, yesterday, Thursday, like some obsessed Victorian scientist I found myself in an industrial museum, my mind connected with the ghosts of those of times gone. The museum was large, belonging to a large city, and me and the ball and chain saw not a soul throughout our whole time in there other than four staff at the entrance hall. The building was Victorian mill, the machines were so massive, sometimes, and the intricate ingenuity displayed was terrifying as well as astonishing. Clearly people, now dead, had poured their whole lives into these endeavours. In my mind was a clanging pendulum: was it worth their life? or should they have lived a life perched high aloft observing many lives, and varying one's life....a book of many and varied, shorter chapters; a book of many lifetimes?

Which way is the best way to spend one's life? If I go on holiday, say around Europe, here there and everywhere, a new camp every day, different countries, etc, then after only about two weeks when I sit with an evening's reflective beer, thinking back to home, is like looking the wrong way through binoculars; it seems like home was years ago! Time, my perception of time, has stretched when compared to 'home time'. So in those two weeks I got much more out of my time (my life), and this is what is niggling me. The routine of home seems to contract my time greatly, so that ten years can seem like a year.
 
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I feel I have delved too far into this subject for my own good. I should leave it now. But the lesson, if there is one, for me, is to stick with that which is good. But other changes, embrace them, for there is a future, as uncertain as it seems at the time. It is better this than to cling to the known and familiar, in the end. Be free to experience life. I wish I could explain myself better. Just get as much as you can from each day, and that to me seems to mean NOT TOO MUCH OF THE SAME. Explore. Pioneer. But that which really matters keep up. We will die. It is best to live with this to get the most.

That museum was a bit too much, but best it was done. But, hey, GOOD LIVING :)
 
About 1/3 of this thread displays as ignored content. I am glad I don't have to read it. It is true the statues of the brutal oppressive traitors in the South were raised three generations later. It is not history, it is an attempt to rewrite history as if the loosers are honorable, venerable winners and that their looser ideas still hold sway and power. They do not. At least not in public.
 
The major historians of the 1880s (Southern) wrote the tune that many still dance…the war of Northern Aggression ie: the Civil War was not about slavery but State’s right. That’s the basement of so many of our problems today. History is of course more than dates and statues…”Think now/History has many cunning passages, contrived corridors/And issues, deceives with whispering ambitions/guides us by vanities”TS Elliot.
The history I’ve been reading recently on the prehistory of North America…1491 (Charles Mann) addresses the ‘New World’ with such estimates of population pre-Columbus of 100 million. The Aztecs maintained a city larger than any European and with running water and sewage. And the first chapter about early contact in Mass will confound ones early education.
Other kinds of history I find valuable are ones that look at the social, the individual such as Stud’s Terkel‘s work...fun little slices that knit into an honest whole. A particular favorite of mine is the remarkable All God’s Dangers by Theodore Rosengarten about the long life and times of an illiterate Black Alabama sharecropper. I passed this along to a recent French immigrant who wanted to understand America. And then perhaps he can explain to me why the French worship Jerry Lewis
 
Stuff that happened before right now.


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Reminds me of….


All seriousness, music is my history. When I hear a song, I can tell you if and when I most remember listening to it. Music, for me, is a timeline that I can visualize. I’ve played drums for ten years and playing bass for 20. I pick the layers of the song apart into their individual tracks. I sometimes like to sit quietly and listen to music. I don’t even need speakers. I remember songs. Close my eyes and escape to another time, in my history. I imagine this might be what it is like for people that enjoy other types of media such as books or movies. Video games also do this for me. I’ve been an avid gamer for decades.
 
About 1/3 of this thread displays as ignored content. I am glad I don't have to read it. It is true the statues of the brutal oppressive traitors in the South were raised three generations later. It is not history, it is an attempt to rewrite history as if the losers are honourable, venerable winners and that their looser ideas still hold sway and power. They do not. At least not in public.
Me, though, here, I am concerned with the history not of books but of time, the passing of time.

Of course'history' is re-written, etc, and why we don't buy it, but then we use our imagination and sense to look back to the truth. History, it is soooo weird, this whole thing, but here it is, real. We know it passes quick. We have to make the most of it, not let it pour through our fingers............how do we do that?
 
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Reminds me of….


All seriousness, music is my history. When I hear a song, I can tell you if and when I most remember listening to it. Music, for me, is a timeline that I can visualize. I’ve played drums for ten years and playing bass for 20. I pick the layers of the song apart into their individual tracks. I sometimes like to sit quietly and listen to music. I don’t even need speakers. I remember songs. Close my eyes and escape to another time, in my history. I imagine this might be what it is like for people that enjoy other types of media such as books or movies. Video games also do this for me. I’ve been an avid gamer for decades.
Well, Spaceballs is something you have to get into, so i can't say from that, but it looked promising.

I was interested in your interest in drumming and bass. I am, too. I wish we were mates near and could exchange, etc. But I know what you mean. I am not musical, a musician at all, alas, but i do listen to the layers and lines as you do. Oh, where do i start. Well, Chic, of course, Bernard. Sooo many other greats. Drums, again, sooo many. Wel here's a great band, God bless recently deceased Christine, Fleetwood Mac. I thin here the drumming is very good. As to bass, well, take your pick.
It's just everywhere, music, great, tapping the blue jeans even, in the dental waiting room, hearing it in your head, the tap-tap, tap-tap-tap. Tap-tap. Tap-tap-tap, tap-tap. Like I say, I'm not a musician, but it is kinda getting there.
 
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All seriousness, music is my history. When I hear a song, I can tell you if and when I most remember listening to it. Music, for me, is a timeline that I can visualize. I’ve played drums for ten years and playing bass for 20. I pick the layers of the song apart into their individual tracks. I sometimes like to sit quietly and listen to music. I don’t even need speakers. I remember songs. Close my eyes and escape to another time, in my history. I imagine this might be what it is like for people that enjoy other types of media such as books or movies. Video games also do this for me. I’ve been an avid gamer for decades.
Right now! And then, just now! I think I should start a new thread about how to spend a new life. Fortunately, thankfully, I have no regrets, well, I do, I wish I'd understood my sexuality earlier. I have managed enough by bumbling through to get enough, but would have liked more (basically I am attracted to thin women, stick thin. Face never seemed to matter too much....always attractive. I know what I like now.), but other than that, I think I have managed to get through to accept my eventual demise. No regrets....other than the sex missed.
 
Making History by Richard Cohen
”before you study history, study the historian”
Great book I’m barely half through
 
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