pushkar
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So the rad bike is a scrambler.... and not a moped?
Watt Wagons Scrambler Style Ebike
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onlineaddy
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In my view neither.So the rad bike is a scrambler.... and not a moped?
onlineaddy
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That’s Storm Sondors.
Butt ass ugly
FlatSix911
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Great video... love the Electric mini-bug!
Ebiker33
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That is the owner of Sondors, StormThis this you ?
Fancy shoes!
Ebiker33
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This Juiced Ebike is getting closer to a Moped.So the rad bike is a scrambler.... and not a moped?
But I think there is a new category of Ebike now, a Scrambler/Moped hybrid
You can always tell the difference by those that come with a spot on the back for a license plate like this one.
Finally it has a 1800W peak motor, which by law sends it into the next category, and when police see somebody riding this type of Ebike with a plate holder with no plate it's going to trigger them to stop the rider.
The bike pedals won't matter at all in this situation.
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BarnBoy
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@pushkar - my 2-cents....
Several of these style bikes are less than 750W and <20mph or <28mph so easily classified as Class 1/2 or Class 3 in the USA and thus a true Scrambler. If >750W and/or >28mph, you enter the world of motor bikes or motorcycles (moped) and will require DOT regulations and compliance plus motorcycle license, helmets and plates. Don’t expect the G-men to come and be nice! Many of the >750w acknowledge this fact and call their products motorcycles!
I know and acknowledge the classification. However I plan to use the Hydra to hide that it is WAY more powerful than it looks and never use it like an idiot. If riding on sidewalks or bike/pedestrian paths, who is going to get busted by the PoPo or Ranger Ricki; WW Hydra/Helios or a WW Scramber???? Yes very cool for that Sunday Cruise, but knowing my big boy frame, I don’t want one as the one size fits small is not my cup of tea. But you already know that with me....
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@Ebiker33 - you serendipitously prove my point with your post above. These are DOT approved motor bikes that have headlights, brake lights and turn signals along with a license plate mount.....
just read the FAQ on that HyperScorpion....(https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/hyperscorpion-express?variant=32912481091648)
Is the HyperScorpion Express street legal?
All our bikes (including HyperScorpion) arrive as class 2 from the factory with class 2 stickers. It’s electronically limited to 750W and 20mph in compliance with class 2 rules. If you live in a state where you are allowed class 3, you can adjust the performance to class 3 mode directly from the LCD display. For the HyperScorpion, If you live in a state that allows the moped category, California is one, you can get it registered as a moped and get the license plate. It has all the necessary equipment, signals, license illuminator, horn etc. and VIN needed for this, but can also be used as a bicycle. Ultimately, though, it’s important you check your state/local e-bike laws to ensure compliance.
Several of these style bikes are less than 750W and <20mph or <28mph so easily classified as Class 1/2 or Class 3 in the USA and thus a true Scrambler. If >750W and/or >28mph, you enter the world of motor bikes or motorcycles (moped) and will require DOT regulations and compliance plus motorcycle license, helmets and plates. Don’t expect the G-men to come and be nice! Many of the >750w acknowledge this fact and call their products motorcycles!
I know and acknowledge the classification. However I plan to use the Hydra to hide that it is WAY more powerful than it looks and never use it like an idiot. If riding on sidewalks or bike/pedestrian paths, who is going to get busted by the PoPo or Ranger Ricki; WW Hydra/Helios or a WW Scramber???? Yes very cool for that Sunday Cruise, but knowing my big boy frame, I don’t want one as the one size fits small is not my cup of tea. But you already know that with me....
EDIT!
@Ebiker33 - you serendipitously prove my point with your post above. These are DOT approved motor bikes that have headlights, brake lights and turn signals along with a license plate mount.....
just read the FAQ on that HyperScorpion....(https://www.juicedbikes.com/products/hyperscorpion-express?variant=32912481091648)
Is the HyperScorpion Express street legal?
All our bikes (including HyperScorpion) arrive as class 2 from the factory with class 2 stickers. It’s electronically limited to 750W and 20mph in compliance with class 2 rules. If you live in a state where you are allowed class 3, you can adjust the performance to class 3 mode directly from the LCD display. For the HyperScorpion, If you live in a state that allows the moped category, California is one, you can get it registered as a moped and get the license plate. It has all the necessary equipment, signals, license illuminator, horn etc. and VIN needed for this, but can also be used as a bicycle. Ultimately, though, it’s important you check your state/local e-bike laws to ensure compliance.
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I originally wanted one of these because of the 24 inch wheels and taller seat height. It also has a large 48v 21ah battery which would allow for long rides. Alas it has a hub motor and not enough power for me so I went with the Buzzraw from Luna Cycle.
jangles
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Read what he said again and try to understand it this time.I did not know that Sondors has sold lots of MadMods or that most owners are older.
R&M makes a mid-tail cargo bike with front suspension that is a really sweet ride (it's called the Multicharger). Agree on the engineering difficulties, but since Pushkar is looking for his next bike, I thought I'd add my two cents.
pushkar
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Hmm. I believe if the last bit of tests go well then i think we can build this.
1. full suspension
2. Belt drive
3. Rear rack
4. Fenders
5. Kindernay (has to be thru axle for belt line to be maintained)
6. M600 only. M620 is too powerful and causes too much bobbing. suitable for off-road.
Helios will still be the top of the line, and hard to match (performance and spec wise), but this fs with belt will be a great fun bike. If tests go well then Q3 launch.
As @Timpo mentioned, FS cargo is probably not ideal, unless it has a super long wheelbase and have a front cargo (RM has one).
pushkar
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Yes. I think the one with the front cargo right?
Yes I know about the Gmac, but the Pinion gear drive is a totally different beast.
pushkar
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We have a couple. I don’t know if we did the pinion. The torque sensors are an issue though. Needs more testing.
We considered it for Superbike. However with Archon, the handling is pretty much hardbto beat.
I think the appeal is the length of the rear cargo area and maybe to have someone sit back there for short jaunts. I do like the front rack as well (I already miss it on the Helios). Not sure what the market for this bike would be, but I think I'll forget about it once my Helios arrives....Yes. I think the one with the front cargo right?
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