Vado SL 4.0 with a suspension fork?

[sandyman44]

Or 26er rigids! Back as a teen in the 80s we bombed down any trail we could find.

of course, being teenage or 20 something makes coping with a rigid bike easier. being 50 something as we both are, means suspension is a good thing to have , to cope with whichever body joints are worn out

 

[Rás Cnoic]

of course, being teenage or 20 something makes coping with a rigid bike easier. being 50 something as we both are, means suspension is a good thing to have , to cope with whichever body joints are worn out

Speak for yourself, these days I climb mountain paths on my fixie with 19mm tyres and a 52 - 9 gear

 

[Rás Cnoic]

Sandyman, if you get to love the front sus and want a wee bit more power(!), the Girona based Megamo bikes have just released 2 models with the Avinox (M2S) motor - and one is a gravel bike with front suspension. Not crazy money either, starting at €3,699 for a flat bar version, €3,999 drops, but €7,999 with the front sus.

Its a crazy amount of power for gravel. But they also have a road bike with the avinox motor too!

ALONG 01 (27) - Megamo Bicycles

www.megamo.com

 

[sandyman44]

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I actually don't like what Avinox are doing. I'd rather the tech went in the direction of purely lighter for the same power. I know its very light for the full (or more than full) power end of the market, but its not lighter than the SL's., If they (avinox) put their tech effort into an SL, maybe they could make a more-efficient-and-lighter-than-the-other-SL's. 300-400W, 1kg, ~50nm, something like that I'd buy. But, if someone wants to buy what they current sell... its a free market...go ahead.
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If I had to buy an emtb today, I'd be probably be looking at a scott lumen (TQ60), claimed 17kg ish. My 5 yo EMTB is a decent ride, but I really notice the weight sometimes. And I almost never use its full power (which is "only" a CX4). I often ride with non-assisted mtb people (my sons) - so I need lowest possible gearing (I dropped the chainring down 4 or 6T from stock) so as to be able to slow down to their pace on uphill grinds. there is no point me zooming to the top. And if we hit a crazy technical steep uphill unrideable (by us anyway... we do not have pro technique) rock garden ... they hike a bike with their 14kg carbon frames. I swear and sweat trying push my 29kg tank. (walk mode doesn't help in this situation)

 

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<philosophy>
I actually don't like what Avinox are doing. I'd rather the tech went in the direction of purely lighter for the same power. I know its very light for the full (or more than full) power end of the market, but its not lighter than the SL's., If they (avinox) put their tech effort into an SL, maybe they could make a more-efficient-and-lighter-than-the-other-SL's. 300-400W, 1kg, ~50nm, something like that I'd buy. But, if someone wants to buy what they current sell... its a free market...go ahead.
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If I had to buy an emtb today, I'd be probably be looking at a scott lumen (TQ60), claimed 17kg ish. My 5 yo EMTB is a decent ride, but I really notice the weight sometimes. And I almost never use its full power (which is "only" a CX4). I often ride with non-assisted mtb people (my sons) - so I need lowest possible gearing (I dropped the chainring down 4 or 6T from stock) so as to be able to slow down to their pace on uphill grinds. there is no point me zooming to the top. And if we hit a crazy technical steep uphill unrideable (by us anyway... we do not have pro technique) rock garden ... they hike a bike with their 14kg carbon frames. I swear and sweat trying push my 29kg tank. (walk mode doesn't help in this situation)

Yes I was writing that post about avinox slightly shaking my head because I can't see why you'd need that much power on a gravel bike, let alone a road bike! For a full fat MTB I can see the advantage, not just power but low weight in comparison and a very competitive price. The Amflows seem good bikes.

For me and my riding now, mostly Devon/Dartmoor lanes and bridleways, the biggest development is that TQ40 motor and in particular Canyon's Endurace, the Sub 10 (kg) tier. Sub 10Kg with similar power to my Vado SL is just extraordinary. I'm disappointed that the industry has kind of ignored it, while brands are clambering to get a model out with the Avinox. I guess what the public want is more power. For me the lightness of the system, the more lightweight the ride feel the better. Plus the more I can ride unassisted, without much bike weight to overcome, the longer range I'll have etc etc.