( Updated) TSDZ2 build is about to commence! Scratch The Tsdz2 I am going with a BBso2

[Jimmy666]

So I picked up this Jamis Coda S2 and rode it around and it is light and almost buttery smooth. I have been inspired by @PedalUma and really want the stealth build with the 36v water bottle battery. One thing I am pondering is weather to do the OSF or not.
I will be commuting with this bike and also wondering about how the kit will handle the temps of year round riding? How hot is too hot? Or too cold?
My plan is to get a second battery for longer rides and also thinking of getting a second bike and putting a TSDZ2 on that one as well for when I have to take the bike to the shop so I am not off the road for any amount of time.
I will also have to get used to riding this kit as I have been using a hub motor bike for the past 5700 mile and have become accustomed to using the throttle from a stop and ghost pedaling. Should I add a throttle?
Any tips and thoughts appreciated!

 

[tomjasz]

Jamis

A little-known brand, to me at least, but really nice bikes! Have fun!

 

[EMGX]

I'm curious what you think that a tsdz2 will do that your hub motor bike can't?
TSDZ2 doesn't have a lag before assist starts like cadence systems have so you might not see a need for a throttle.
If you already have a battery for your current ebike why not use that instead of buying another water bottle battery? I have used a top tube bag, a handlebar bag and a seat tube bag to hold batteries and to me a water bottle battery doesn't have any advantages, aesthetic or otherwise, but of course that is only my opinion.

 

[AHicks]

2 thoughts, if a throttle is an option, why not add it? Downside would be what exactly?

2nd, don't worry about getting used to the new bike. Betting that will be easier than getting use to the first one.

Above all, enjoy the build! Take your time, and mess with it until everything is just right. You'll thank yourself later as you enjoy a great looking reliable bike

 

[EMGX]

For the tsdz2 only the larger vlcd5 screen allows a throttle function and brake motor cut offs. Throttle can be used with the smaller available screens and an additional adaptor cable but that adds unwanted additional cable length to deal with and no option (that I am aware of) to add brake cut offs). tsdz2 doesn't need brake cut offs when used without a throttle but I wouldn't want to have a throttle without safety brake cut offs.

 

[Jimmy666]

A little-known brand, to me at least, but really nice bikes! Have fun!

I have been riding the aluminum version of this bike for years. That model is called the Allegro. They make great bikes for the money.

 

[Jimmy666]

I'm curious what you think that a tsdz2 will do that your hub motor bike can't?
TSDZ2 doesn't have a lag before assist starts like cadence systems have so you might not see a need for a throttle.
If you already have a battery for your current ebike why not use that instead of buying another water bottle battery? I have used a top tube bag, a handlebar bag and a seat tube bag to hold batteries and to me a water bottle battery doesn't have any advantages, aesthetic or otherwise, but of course that is only my opinion.

My current battery would be a no go ( it is a reention eel on a Ride1up Core 5). I am spitballing about the throttle because I have become used to it but I have been riding without using it for the last week or so. I want as light weight of a build as possible.

 

[Jimmy666]

For the tsdz2 only the larger vlcd5 screen allows a throttle function and brake motor cut offs. Throttle can be used with the smaller available screens and an additional adaptor cable but that adds unwanted additional cable length to deal with and no option (that I am aware of) to add brake cut offs). tsdz2 doesn't need brake cut offs when used without a throttle but I wouldn't want to have a throttle without safety brake cut offs.

Yea I am waiting for the C3 display to get restocked at Eco-Cycles and I am not planning on adding the cutoffs so I think the throttle is off the table. Do you have experience with the OSF?

 

[Jimmy666]

2 thoughts, if a throttle is an option, why not add it? Downside would be what exactly?

2nd, don't worry about getting used to the new bike. Betting that will be easier than getting use to the first one.

Above all, enjoy the build! Take your time, and mess with it until everything is just right. You'll thank yourself later as you enjoy a great looking reliable bike

Thanks! After a year of not having to worry about being in the right gear and throttling from a stop I guess it is just a concern lingering in the back of my head.

 

[EMGX]

I have a C3 display that came with my 48v 750w tsdz2. It is a nice display with 5 levels of assist instead of the 4 levels on other displays and it displays actual battery voltage instead of just the inaccurate bars. I haven't had any need to try to reprogram the controller, it works fine for me as is. Eco-cycles indicates that they program the controller themselves so maybe it is already optimized vs other sellers. I don't really know if that is the case or not but I purchased both of my tsdz2 from eco-cycles. I see that their price has increased by $45 plus shipping (used to be $415 with free shipping).

 

[Jimmy666]

After checking I think I might just go with the 48v with the 13ah battery. It is within my budget and I can use a frame bag to conceal it if I decide to.
Now I am not sure if I should wait for the c3 to get restocked along with the new gear they have come up with at Eco-Cycles. https://www.facebook.com/groups/734929600180813/posts/1671163463224084/

 

[EMGX]

I have a C3 and VLCD5 that came stock on the motors I have and a XH18 twist that I bought on Amazon for $20. They all work well and each has its advantages. Overall I prefer the C3 but have the xh18 on a bike that I might take to Moab to ride slick rock later this month. The twist is most convenient for changing power levels quickly on the fly because it only takes a flick of the wrist rather than locating and pushing buttons on the other two displays, especially wearing gloves. The xh18 has some other limitations though. If it isn't an inconvenience I'd choose the C3.
How much does the new gear cost and what are the advantages? I recently took apart one of my motors for installation of parts to allow coaster brake function, the blue gear looked new. I think that motor has around a thousand miles on it. Prices on parts fluctuates widely but last summer I bought a replacement blue gear for <$10 including tax so it isn't a big expense or difficult to change out that gear if ever needed.
Personally, I'm happy with a (cheap) 48v 10h battery but battery usage/range varies with individual use and preferences. I also have a 48v 15ah battery but the few extra pounds and larger size make a difference to me.

 

[Jimmy666]

How well does the Tsdz2 handle the rigors of commuting? The bike would be locked up in the heat and cold.

 

[jplanaux]

welcome

 

[Jimmy666]

Well I ended going with a different bike and kit! No turning back know because the kit is on the way (Bbso2) and I am putting it on one of my favorite bikes the Kona Dew. I figured I wanted at least mechanical disk brakes and I plan on upgrading the rotors size and adding Juin tech calipers as I already have this setup on another bike and I like it.
I will mostly be commuting so I am wondering about the chainring choice I should make because I think the stock ring looks like crap and would like one with a narrow/wide profile. Are Lekkie's the thing to get or are they just for chainline issues ?

 

[tomjasz]

I try to love the TSDZ2 but...

I'd never recommend an eBike without brake cutouts.

 

[tomjasz]

re Lekkie's the thing to get or are they just for chainline issues ?

Very nice quality bling rings and narrow-wide chainrings can be helpful in preventing chain drops. In 6 years of customer support I can count product issues on 2 fingers.

 

[Jimmy666]

Very nice quality bling rings and narrow-wide chainrings can be helpful in preventing chain drops. In 6 years of customer support I can count product issues on 2 fingers.

So I could use one even without chain line issues? I would not want to order one if I can't use it lol. I got the kit from JohnnyNerdout and it will come with eighter 44 or 46t depending on inventory. I am guessing 46 or 48 for the riding I will be doing.

 

[tomjasz]

So I could use one even without chain line issues? I would not want to order one if I can't use it lol. I got the kit from JohnnyNerdout and it will come with eighter 44 or 46t depending on inventory. I am guessing 46 or 48 for the riding I will be doing.

I’d ask your kit supplier.

 

[AHicks]

Jimmy, maybe I'm not following your question properly, but I don't see any way of predicting chain line issues for sure prior to the actual install of the motor.