WildPaul
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I can't wait to see your new bike after all these mods! Please do share.
Are you positive that the GRX Di2 drivetrain (assuming a full swap to shimano?) will fit on the Creo 2?
Today was supposed to be new Creo announcement day!
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Are you positive that the GRX Di2 drivetrain (assuming a full swap to shimano?) will fit on the Creo 2?
Do a bit of analysis on the geometries and you'll notice most of the changes relate to the increased tire size shipped with the bike, as well as the greater maximum tire sizes, rather than those impacting rider positioning. Diameter difference of 700x47 vs 700x38 is 28mm and diameter difference of 700x42 vs 29x2.2 is 23.6mm using published tire circumference data. So it's not surprising to see a 15mm longer fork length or 9mm longer chainstay to accomodate a 12mm greater radius tire, or 34mm longer wheelbase. It'd be interesting to see those figures with same-size tires on each.
See table below based on geometries for the Creo Expert EVO and Creo 2 Expert.
Additional bosses are great for bike packing / adventure biking, but we're talking generalized gravel riding.
Only real difference in obtaining new/better wheels is there's less choice of off-the-shelf prebuilt wheels, but it's pretty easy to order wheels with the appropriate hub if desired. Just not as big a deal as some choose to think.
Yes, there's improvements in the Creo2 oriented for gravel and adventure riding, but honestly it's not the earth-shattering difference you've conveyed.
Dazmanturbo
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I see no reason it will not fit. It looks like a standard derailleur hanger and I swapping to full GRX Di2 that is fitted to my current Creo. I have the Di2 hack for the Power setting and have worked out how I can get this to work with Mastermind TCU. This will really clean up the front end as I can hide the Di2 cable and remote wire with Rear brake hose so only 2 will be seen. In UK so bike not due until Nov
AvalancheRun
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Speaking of where to purchase, I have a hypothesis to test out here: manufacturer offers 30 day, 3rd party dealer may better support you if something goes really wrong? (Claim from a local Spec dealer).
Stefan Mikes
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Not the UDH?
Dazmanturbo
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Not from what I can see. Looked at Comp and Expert photos
Stefan Mikes
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Probably the best option is the Specialized Delivery. You pick the bike online and select the nearby Spec LBS that is on the list and you trust them. They are expected to bring the bike to your home, and instruct you how to use it. The LBS will get the maximum commission they can get in the case of the online sale. (They will only earn more if they ordered the bike themselves and have sold it to you from the LBS floor). The Specialized warranty works everywhere but of course the LBS is the most positive if you bought the bike directly from them.
Here in the US, or at least in my little corner of the US, choosing Specialized Delivery adds a $75 delivery fee, pickup in store adds a $50 fee, and both options also incur a $15 Environmental Recycling Fee. If one goes to the LBS and they place the order, those fees don't apply. I would happily visit the LBS a second time to save $90.
I also learned (when I bought my Creo E5 earlier this year) that the stores order from a different stock than the website. Helpful if a preferred model isn't showing available on the website, as it may be available for an LBS to order.
Another factor is the LBS might offer a discount on bike fitting if purchased with the bike - I did so and saved $100. Well worth it.
Stefan Mikes
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Yes, the dealers have the pool allocated to them. Big, Specialized owned stores get the lion's share of that pool. Small stores get very little.
jtooley
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online at the specialized website. Delivery to LBS. LBS only had 1 in stock, and no more in their order queue. They recommended buying the one in the store since it was my size, or order online quickly since the inventory is low.
The Moots is interesting. Odd that it’s a Moots for sure! Looks like they’ve done the same re jigging of the EP8 motor that Orbea did with the Rise & Urrun, limiting it to 60nm for longer range.
New Carbon e-Gravel Bike From… Moots!
In a move that will no doubt have a few people hammering at their keyboards and attempting to set fire to titanium frames, Moots has announced a carbon fibre bike. Not only that, but it’s an …
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I checked the Orbea website to see what their e gravel offering looks like. They don’t have one (yet) so I’m guessing they sell enough of their e road bikes in Europe plus their popular emtbs not to worry yet about this more niche market. If they do come out with one it’ll be interesting to see.
Orbea do have the gain range of e road bikes with the Mahle hub motor & say you can use these for gravel. But with max clearances of 35mm I’m not sure they are really that bothered about marking a gravel specific model the way Specialized or Moots or others have done.The Moots is interesting. Odd that it’s a Moots for sure! Looks like they’ve done the same re jigging of the EP8 motor that Orbea did with the Rise & Urrun, limiting it to 60nm for longer range.
New Carbon e-Gravel Bike From… Moots!
In a move that will no doubt have a few people hammering at their keyboards and attempting to set fire to titanium frames, Moots has announced a carbon fibre bike. Not only that, but it’s an …
I checked the Orbea website to see what their e gravel offering looks like. They don’t have one (yet) so I’m guessing they sell enough of their e road bikes in Europe plus their popular emtbs not to worry yet about this more niche market. If they do come out with one it’ll be interesting to see.
PetroK
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Newest models seems to be a step back in terms of tire clearance. I’ve previous one and it is 40mm clearance
Stefan Mikes
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I was to Specialized Warsaw yesterday. For some reason, people of the other LBS (Specialized Warsaw SOHO) were there too. Everybody seemed to be really excited! (I was excited, too!) It is not only the new Creo 2 but also the new Roubaix SL 8. The Specialized employees seemed to feel their brand made new, valuable and sellable achievements!
My favourite salesman had a big grin on his face when he was saying: 'And these 47 mm tyres on Creo 2 as the stock!"
He also mentioned it is the first time Specialized decided to give the e-bike weight. The SOHO manager told me the FutureShock comes as 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3. Creo 2 Comp will take the FS 3.2.
The first specimens of Creo 2 should arrive in the Warsaw LBSes within a month.
My favourite salesman had a big grin on his face when he was saying: 'And these 47 mm tyres on Creo 2 as the stock!"
He also mentioned it is the first time Specialized decided to give the e-bike weight. The SOHO manager told me the FutureShock comes as 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3. Creo 2 Comp will take the FS 3.2.The first specimens of Creo 2 should arrive in the Warsaw LBSes within a month.
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More info on the new Future Shock versions:
Future Shock 3.0
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Nice that it’ll supposedly retrofit into older FS equipped bikes.
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AvalancheRun
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Curious if anyone could compare hydraulic to spring actuated dampening - is that just the method of setting the suspension?More info on the new Future Shock versions:
Future Shock 3.0
Nice that it’ll supposedly retrofit into older FS equipped bikes.
Presumably the spring resists compression and the hydraulic dampening slows rebound to prevent bounciness. Much like how springs and shocks function in the automotive world, or bicycle suspension/ motorcycle forks usually work.
jtooley
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I picked up my Creo 2 comp today. I went on a short, relatively flat 10-mile ride today. It’s hot in California today, so it was a short ride. For a comparison of first impressions, I have been riding a Turbo Vado SL 4.0 for the past 3.5 years. My first impressions are that the 1.2 motor is much quieter (similar to my bike with a Brose motor). The riding experience feels completely natural, like a non e-bike. The ride is smooth over bumps, cranks, and holes, which I attribute to the carbon frame and Future Shock. The tires make quite a bit of road noise. This is my first bike with electronic shifting, and it’s really cool.
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AvalancheRun
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That sounds fantastic! Do the wider tires make it difficult to ride unpowered?
mschwett
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that finish looks amazing! !!
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