Thoughts Of An Experienced E-Biker

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There is no right or wrong as to the "proper way" to set up a bike. It's all trial and error and no amount of supposed biking expertise or know how can be used to determine the right posture, handlebar type, seat height or amount of seat cushion to ride on. There is no right way to do it. It's whatever is the most comfortable for the rider. And most people will know when the fun stops and the pain begins. I figured it out real fast after buying a mtb. It soon became a very smooth cruiser. Problem solved.
while this may be true for some types of cycling, it’s actually not true for road bikes. there are highly trained and experienced professional bike fitters who use actual empirical data and knowledge to adjust the bike to the rider. not internet anecdote or quickly made impressions of comfort or discomfort. training, experience, and data.

i had some lower back pain on one side, went to a well regarded bike fitter, spent an hour on the bike on his trainer while he made multiple measurements, adjustments, and observations.

the result? right lower back pain gone. occasional mild left hand numbness gone. i do 500-600 miles a month on my bikes, no sofa cushion seats or big squishy tires and also no aches or pains. 28mm tires, no suspension, average quality roads. is my setup right for anyone else, probably not, but it’s definitely “right” for what i do!
 
while this may be true for some types of cycling, it’s actually not true for road bikes. there are highly trained and experienced professional bike fitters who use actual empirical data and knowledge to adjust the bike to the rider. not internet anecdote or quickly made impressions of comfort or discomfort. training, experience, and data.

i had some lower back pain on one side, went to a well regarded bike fitter, spent an hour on the bike on his trainer while he made multiple measurements, adjustments, and observations.

the result? right lower back pain gone. occasional mild left hand numbness gone. i do 500-600 miles a month on my bikes, no sofa cushion seats or big squishy tires and also no aches or pains. 28mm tires, no suspension, average quality roads. is my setup right for anyone else, probably not, but it’s definitely “right” for what i do!
Well, if you got what you wanted after all that then great. Most people can figure it all out on their own pretty fast. I can ride a mile and know what I need to change on the bike to make it a better fit for me. I don't have butt pain, arm pain, or back pain after peddling for 3 hrs. non stop. I use anything that makes for a smooth, comfortable ride. Seat post suspension, fork suspension, Schwalbe balloon tires, upright seating position on gel seat with a nice Jonesbar for super comfort and control.No numb fingers or stiff shoulders at all after 30 miles every other day. Now in my 70s. I started riding bikes in the 50's. Taking on the hills of San Francisco with a 1 speed. Good training! Not much fun. On my ebike, I must have got it set up right, after 3 years now, I would'nt change a thing. Everybody has to get it right on their own as no two people or bikes are alike. I would no more drive a uncomfortable bike then I would a car or motorcycle or sleep in a hard bed.
 
If you plan on being a pro bike racer then sure, you need expert help setting up that super lightweight race bike. But, these are ebikes not race bikes. We have motors. We don't need to sweat every new ounce of weight on the bike. We don't need to worry about the weight of lights and mirrors or tool bags. We have nice electric motors that compensate for that weight. I ride for the fun of it all, not to race, compete or pretend I'm a pro racer headed for the next big tour de whatever. To me, ebikes are a great stress reduction machine that gives me some exercise. I get a lot more of a workout on the treadmill, and that's by choice. I didn't get a powered bike for exercise but fun.
 
There is no right or wrong as to the "proper way" to set up a bike. It's all trial and error and no amount of supposed biking expertise or know how can be used to determine the right posture, handlebar type, seat height or amount of seat cushion to ride on. There is no right way to do it. It's whatever is the most comfortable for the rider. And most people will know when the fun stops and the pain begins. I figured it out real fast after buying a mtb. It soon became a very smooth cruiser. Problem solved.
Thats not quite true. There are wrong ways to set up the bike that will hurt you, physically. Also, there are some things you could do that are just plain stupid. Don't fall into the trap of thinking experienced cyclists offering advice are racers or pros. They are riders. And they've learned by doing.

It pays to pay attention when people who know the sport tell you something is stupid. Hopefully, those same people know the difference between 'dumb', 'ill advised' and 'personal preference' and will make it clear which category the snake oil the noob is advocating belongs to.

I've said for a long time that some of the very worst advice a new ebiker can get will come from a cyclist. The reason being they know bicycles, not the bicycle-shaped-objects that are ebikes. A cyclist who has had experience burn do's and don'ts into their brains, and hasn't taken a step back and realized an ebike is a totally new system, is as much of a menace as the late night loon angrily wearing their fingertips out.

But for those cyclists who have learned the differences... pay attention. And think critically because none of us can be trusted in the end. Its the internet, and fools can type.
 
Thats not quite true. There are wrong ways to set up the bike that will hurt you, physically. Also, there are some things you could do that are just plain stupid. Don't fall into the trap of thinking experienced cyclists offering advice are racers or pros. They are riders. And they've learned by doing.

It pays to pay attention when people who know the sport tell you something is stupid. Hopefully, those same people know the difference between 'dumb', 'ill advised' and 'personal preference' and will make it clear which category the snake oil the noob is advocating belongs to.

I've said for a long time that some of the very worst advice a new ebiker can get will come from a cyclist. The reason being they know bicycles, not the bicycle-shaped-objects that are ebikes. A cyclist who has had experience burn do's and don'ts into their brains, and hasn't taken a step back and realized an ebike is a totally new system, is as much of a menace as the late night loon angrily wearing their fingertips out.

But for those cyclists who have learned the differences... pay attention. And think critically because none of us can be trusted in the end. Its the internet, and fools can type.
Thats not quite true. There are wrong ways to set up the bike that will hurt you, physically. Also, there are some things you could do that are just plain stupid. Don't fall into the trap of thinking experienced cyclists offering advice are racers or pros. They are riders. And they've learned by doing.

It pays to pay attention when people who know the sport tell you something is stupid. Hopefully, those same people know the difference between 'dumb', 'ill advised' and 'personal preference' and will make it clear which category the snake oil the noob is advocating belongs to.

I've said for a long time that some of the very worst advice a new ebiker can get will come from a cyclist. The reason being they know bicycles, not the bicycle-shaped-objects that are ebikes. A cyclist who has had experience burn do's and don'ts into their brains, and hasn't taken a step back and realized an ebike is a totally new system, is as much of a menace as the late night loon angrily wearing their fingertips out.

But for those cyclists who have learned the differences... pay attention. And think critically because none of us can be trusted in the end. Its the internet, and fools can type.
Keyword being "new" bikers. Anyone that has spent years riding bikes can safely set one up to their own specs, real easy. It's not rocket science, and there is no supposed bike expert in the world can tell you if the bike is a good fit or not. That determination can only come from the person riding it, not someone else. It's always good to share honest info and see what works for others, but in the end the final fitting can only be done by the one on the bike. Race bikes are another story. More precise setup for speed over comfort. Ebikes are designed for ease and comfort over speed.
 
exactly this. it is a sad fact of the modern world that the opinions/rants of the uninformed, inexperienced, narrow minded, and unaccomplished can somehow be read on the internet as being as meaningful as millions of hours of actual experience.
Couldn't agree more. If you'd to like to see just how pervasive and dangerous this trend is -- even at the highest levels of public policymaking, and especially in the US -- read

 
Exactly. A heavily padded seat just disguises the problem of poor fitment. They solve nothing. A good seat should fit to your bum. If you pedal, it should be narrower to avoid the chafing of the thighs that come from the pedal stroke on wide seats.

If on the other hand you are just throttling around the neighborhood, that is where a big cruiser seat is in its element. My own personal favorite for that style of neighborhood riding is the Selle Drifter, which is gel-padded and also sprung (and not quite so stupid-looking, but thats a matter of personal taste)..

But if you are cycling, all the crackpot conspiracy rants in the world won't counter decades of experience in what works and what doesn't, learned by people who ride tens of thousands of miles, individually, over and over, across a population of riders that spans literally multiple generations and zillions of individuals. Its not a conspiracy of the illuminati... its people learning what works by doing.
I fail to see what "conspiracy" has one iota to do with bike seats. The only reason for people to rag on "conspiracies" is if they have been conditioned by MSM to dismiss any and every idea or statement they disagree with as a "conspiracy theory" (i.e., a crackpot rant). It's one of the most absurd, overblown behaviors to crop up in the last couple of years.

For all those who pretend that there are no conspiracies, I refer you to the numerous laws on the books against "conspiracy to commit ______ " (fill in the blank). Law enforcement investigates conspiracies quite frequently... they take them seriously. People are in prison this very day for conspiring to do bad things (and maybe a few more people need to be in prison for it). And a mere 4-5 years ago the media was happily pumping the now-disproven conspiracy theory that the Russians influenced the 2016 election, and plenty of people were glad to believe in conspiracies then; strange how the sheeple can be blown about with every shift of the wind!

Side note: I haven't conspired with anyone to produce this rant! 😇
 
I fail to see what "conspiracy" has one iota to do with bike seats.
All the talk of conspiracy theories goes back a few posts to someone here who is pre-disposed to announce shocking new Truth that peels back the curtain on falsehoods the overlords have fed to sheeple.

If you don't know wtf I am talking about... do yourself a big, fat favor and don't scroll back... those are wasted minutes you will never get back.

With all of that said, it is true bicycle marketing is a racket. But then again so is dish soap marketing. And socks. The fact that marketers BS people is a given when you open your eyes in the morning and no cause for alarm, manifestos etc. Speaking of Revealed Truth...

 
And a mere 4-5 years ago the media was happily pumping the now-disproven conspiracy theory that the Russians influenced the 2016 election, and plenty of people were glad to believe in conspiracies then; strange how the sheeple can be blown about with every shift of the wind!

From the findings of the various committees investigating that claim, I think we can safely move it from the 'conspiracy theory' to 'plain old fact' bucket. But for the record I agree on the seats - skinny, hard seats aren't some nefarious scheme. They're just sports science and industries stab at what wins races. Maybe racers sit on them, dreaming of a nice plush armchair at the end of the race 🤔 And best of all, none of us are under any compulsion to buy them.
 
There is no right or wrong as to the "proper way" to set up a bike. It's all trial and error and no amount of supposed biking expertise or know how can be used to determine the right posture, handlebar type, seat height or amount of seat cushion to ride on. There is no right way to do it. It's whatever is the most comfortable for the rider. And most people will know when the fun stops and the pain begins. I figured it out real fast after buying a mtb. It soon became a very smooth cruiser. Problem solved. it work great as a mtb

Wrong. The answer is just what I said it was. They sell various size, shapes and styles from cruiser to rock hard butt floss. Not the answer you wanted? Sorry
I just wanted the truth, and I got it
 
The truth:
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I went with a Brooks sometime back about 5k miles ago. I had heard they were uncomfortable at first and found that to be an understatement. After a few hundred miles I switched it for an Ergon which was good. But shame led me to re-try the Brooks and the Ergon is now on my guest ride.
As a less than experienced rider, casual until I sunk $$$ into my Trek, I didn’t give grips, saddles etc. a second thought. I appreciate these general guides to setup such as the recommended wrist angle. I checked my bike after seeing the illustration and found my wrists at the suggested Angle…something I arrived at by trial an error.
I have seen posts here calling Selle AnatomIca as Brooks-like w/o the break-in
 
I still have the Rivo Sport that came with my Tero 5 and I’m going to hang on to it. Its a fine seat, I just wasn’t quite ready for it. Probably in another couple hundred miles I’ll try it again. Grips are another story. Hands started going numb again at around 10 miles today (and still had 10 miles to get back to camp) even after adjusting the angle. Ended up doing a lot of finger-trip riding where possible, as I did in my Harley days. Part of it may just be age. When I was younger 50 miles was no big deal and my only ailment was an ear ach on cold mornings. Things have changed, but I’m getting better every day. On the chain ring idea, I agree 4T isnt much of a change but I can do it with all existing stuff at little expense and it will give me a little more top end without sacrificing much in the lowest gear. I have another much more extensive (and expensive) idea but I’ll try this first.
 
Well, if you got what you wanted after all that then great. Most people can figure it all out on their own pretty fast. I can ride a mile and know what I need to change on the bike to make it a better fit for me…

i’m not sure “most people” can figure it out to a level that allows for long rides without discomfort. i got pretty close, but after 4 or 5 hours was getting the minor but annoying pains described. well worth an hour of my time for an actual professional opinion! the adjustments were in some places quite minor (e.g. moving cleats a bit in various directions) and some slightly more significant.

it’s very difficult when just doing things by the seat of your pants to perceive the interrelationships. you can move the seat forward a bit, and find it more comfortable, but not because it’s right… because the bars are wrong. so then you start tweaking the bars based on the wrong seat position…
 
A Noob

When I entered the Brave New World of e-bikes in late August 2019, I understood how the e-bike instantly changed my life. An ailing person who could hardly walk, I could suddenly zoom greater and greater distances for exercise, adventures, grocery shopping, and -- the most important of all -- for fun. Even before my ailments developed and manifested their presence, a traditional bike ride was painful for me: Countering headwind or climbing on a bike was no fun; I needed to stop every 5 km for rest. I had no incentive to be on the bike everyday! With the purchase of the first e-bike, I started riding faster, for longer distances, and as frequently as never before!

As a noob with some money, I started buying new e-bikes on the "N+1" principle to end up with 4 very different e-bikes. And, as a noob with some money, I was doing everything to improve what I bought! The number of experiments, new gear, equipment, "improvements" I've done to my e-bikes might fill a decently sized book! And I've been the noob for some three years. Until I changed. After documented 26,000+ km (16,200+ mi) ridden on e-bikes, I think I changed and reached a level of maturity.

Let me describe what I believe in now, and what experiments have brought valuable outcome.

N-1, Or Only Keep The E-Bikes You Actually Ride
If you own several e-bikes, some of them are just gathering the dust. If you choose to ride each of them, the maintenance costs start to mount to an unbearable level. After having determined my real needs, I just reduced the number of my e-bikes from four to just two. I keep a heavy, strong and fast full power e-bike that is priceless for long, demanding trips (especially in the mountains) and a lightweight low power e-bike that I ride on a daily basis, and which has proven to be appropriate for long and fast gravel group rides. Actually, I feel I still own one e-bike too many but it would be hard for me to get rid of either of them!

Use Your E-Bike As Intended By The Maker, Or Do Not Change The Nature Of Your Steed
Disclaimer: I'm only talking of good e-bikes from major bicycle brands.
The big bicycle brand has accumulated decades of experience, and makes e-bikes of a proven geometry and componentry for the intended purpose. "Do not change a bronco into a mule!"
  • You have bought a premium commuter e-bike. The bike geometry tells you the e-bike should be ridden in a forward position. What do you do? You think you need to ride in a more upright position; you raise your stem then buy curved handlebars (or Jones H-bars for instance); you are replacing the saddle with the widest and softest saddle you could find. You have changed the very nature of your e-bike. You believe the changes were necessary but surprisingly you still suffer pain in your butt, hand numbness or back aches. So you experiment more and more not to avail really.
  • You thought buying a full suspension e-MTB would make your city rides comfortable. Now, you have realised your electric mountain e-bike simply hates city riding! So you swap your off-road tyres for "all-rounders", raise the stem, trim your wide handlebars (ouch!), add a rack and maybe even a kick-stand. You have crippled your mountain-goat to become a cow...
  • You thought a road/gravel e-bike was cool. Now, you put a comfortable saddle, a rack/pannier, long fenders, and perhaps a kickstand on your e-bike. Making it even heavier and against its intended purpose.
The issue we all are facing is an universal e-bike does not exist. We are not capable to determine our real needs prior to the purchase, either.

The Stock Components Are Not Necessarily Hopeless
If everyone of us noobs could have just tried riding our first e-bikes without immediately modifying them... I managed to make many unnecessary replacements of stock components on my e-bikes. For instance, it took me almost 3 years to realize the stock Specialized Electrak 2.0 tyres on my Vado 5.0 actually were the best thing, and I should have not replaced them in the first place. Or, it took me more than a year to find out the stock Specialized Bridge Sport saddle on my Vado SL was actually a very good thing that I really didn't need to replace with another seat! To be honest, even the stock grips on my both e-bikes that I keep were quite OK! Why to replace anything just because it is "stock"?

The More I Ride, The More Lightweight I Appreciate
That's why I ride my heavy Vado less and less, giving the preference to Vado SL.

Tyre Inflation Pressure
It is true that increasing tyre pressure makes the e-bike roll easier. On the other hand, the tyres are the ultimate bike suspension, especially for dampening rapid road vibrations. Reducing the tyre inflation to the "sweet point" between the rolling resistance and ride comfort is something I could greatly recommend to anyone!

Extra Suspension, A Worthy Thing?
Oh yes. For most of good e-bikes ridden by the Forum members, a Kinekt 2.1 or RedShift Shock Stop suspension seat-post is certainly a valuable improvement for your rear. On the other hand, installing a suspension stem on an e-bike already equipped in any form of front suspension makes little sense. Any type of the front suspension is made to dampen slow vibration; it is the tyres that flatten the rapid vibration.

Saddle
There is no Saddle Holy Grail. If you have chosen riding in a more upright position, most of your body weight will inevitably rest on your butt. Expect back/spine aches. No comfort saddle can be as soft as an armchair if you need to be pedalling your e-bike. With the riding position more forward, you lighten up your ass. Surprisingly, many aches might have gone. Once you have moved your body position forward, you will notice a seemingly hard and narrow saddle might even become more comfortable, especially if you ride in chamois. A narrower saddle means no chafing on your thighs and axils.

Pedals
Very expensive bikes are delivered without pedals. In most of cases, even expensive e-bikes will be delivered with cheap unimpressive pedals. It is your choice what you do.
I do not want to start yet another holy war with the lovers of "clipless" (who actually clip in). Just want to say good wide platform pedals with traction pins are almost as good as clipless pedals/cleated shoes, and I often ride platform pedals just in sneakers. It is your choice though.

Handlebar grips
As I mentioned before, the stock grips can be in many cases excellent. I'm a great believer in the enhancement called SQlab Innerbarends, which I perceive as one of the greatest inventions for flat handlebars. Innerbarends let me lean forward without hand numbness, be myself more aerodynamic, have perfect access to brake levers and the shifter, and keep my arms closer still retaining a pretty wide handlebars. I spend almost my ride time in the Innerbarends now. Having the Ergon GP2 bar ends available too, I hardly use them now.

Rear-View Mirror, Daytime Lights, And The Helmet
I simply cannot ride without the rear-view mirror. Inexpensive Mirrycle is the type I've used on my all e-bikes. The glass part never broke in any of several Mirrycles I have owned. The secret of the proper Mirrycle set-up is to tighten all screws very strongly. The threaded parts are made of brass there; brass can stand very strong tightening, and you can hear it squeaking when you tighten the screws: it is the proper thing.

Many of EBR Forum members are bitching they cannot switch their daytime lights off. "See and Be Seen". It is for your own safety!

Wearing the helmet goes without saying.
Great write-up of experiences. On my third e-bike, finding that the lighter weight of my latest one provides the greatest joy (for someone that wants to get a lot of exercise). Others might want more power, and ride a bike with a lot of assist or more like a scooter, but that’s not me (most of the time, unless I hit the wall, and just need to make it home!)
 
Great write-up of experiences. On my third e-bike, finding that the lighter weight of my latest one provides the greatest joy (for someone that wants to get a lot of exercise). Others might want more power, and ride a bike with a lot of assist or more like a scooter, but that’s not me (most of the time, unless I hit the wall, and just need to make it home!)
yes weight makes a big difference. so does tire size. like my bulls with the older bosch motor and 1.5" tires was faster and I coud put out more wats then my trek with the new bosch motor because it has 2.3'" tires and its so much more sluggish. my average watts when down and I had a lower heartrate and burned less calories. I plan on putting smaller tires on it when I wear them out.
 
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