The transition

[Chargeride]

The IPCC sixth report.

Sixth Assessment Report — IPCC

www.ipcc.ch

 

[Chargeride]

Well China are going nuke.

Beijing Clears Eight New Reactors as China Accelerates Nuclear Buildout

Most of the newly approved units will use the domestically developed Hualong One design as Beijing pushes to expand operating nuclear capacity to 110 million kilowatts by 2030

www.caixinglobal.com

Third reactor at Changjiang plant starts up

Unit 3 at the Changjiang nuclear power plant in China's Hainan province has attained a sustained chain reaction for the first time, China National Nuclear Corporation has announced. ;

www.world-nuclear-news.org

 

[stompandgo]

They are going down on an exponential curve, not linearly. The graph makes it look approximately linear but because the axis is logarithmic that makes it exponential.
And it is "just a projection" based on sixty years of historic data. SMRs do not have any data to base their costs on so anyone advocating for them is basically making the numbers up as they go along. I'd take a "mere" projection over made up numbers any day of the week.

Yes, many things impact that cost curve. But the long-term trends are undeniable and you can't pretend they do not exist.

Just look at the graph and understand what it means.

I never said that they don't exist. And you never talk about how these millions of panels are end of life 30 years after they are put up, and the waste that they create.

I am not against renewables. There is a place for everything, when it's done right.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

I never said that they don't exist. And you never talk about how these millions of panels are end of life 30 years after they are put up, and the waste that they create.

I am not against renewables. There is a place for everything, when it's done right.

Oh come on. You can do better than that.

We recycle solar panels all the time. I can drop them off at the recycle facility in a town of 1000 people just down the highway from me.

By weight solar panels are more than 90 percent aluminum and glass. Things we recycle all the time.

On the other hand, I know of quite a few people around here with off-grid solar builds from the 1980s who are still using the same panels and they are working fine. I never have been able to figure out where that "30 year lifetime" came from. Except probably from FUD mongers who are afraid of change.

As long as you brought it up, please tell me how we are going to process and safely store the waste from SMRs? That doesn't seem to be a solved problem. And even if you argue that the dangers are exaggerated, I'm 1000 percent sure you'd rather have a pallet of old solar panels in your garage than the equivalent weight in nuclear waste.

 

[stompandgo]

The state of Washington has mandatory solar panel regulations, and thus has the infrastructure in place to recycle them. They are the outlier. 90% of all solar panels end up in landfills. Massachusetts has three recycling facilities in the state. A solar array owner has to pay for disassembly and disposal. Some solar vendors offer cradle to grave systems, where the disposal costs are part of the installation cost, but not all.

Again, I am not against renewables, done the right way.