The transition

I was in China when they transitioned from gasoline scooters to eBikes. It was pretty weird ... they just notified people by apartment block of a date, took away all the gas scooters and replaced them all with ebikes on that date, and people didn't seem at all upset. Imagine the uproar in the US if the "guberment" just took away your (and all your neighbors) diesel truck(s) and left you a ford lightning pickup...:eek:
 
Art Deco said:
I was in China when they transitioned from gasoline scooters to eBikes. It was pretty weird ... they just notified people by apartment block of a date, took away all the gas scooters and replaced them all with ebikes on that date, and people didn't seem at all upset. Imagine the uproar in the US if the "guberment" just took away your (and all your neighbors) diesel truck(s) and left you a ford lightning pickup...:eek:
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The way things are going in California, I wouldn't put it past gov. Newsom to do just that. :rolleyes:
 
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I hate to hit like on that, but it is what I am hearing everywhere on the Eastern US.
People who usually charge at home being shocked at how few places they really could charge on a roadtrip. One friend even sold his almost new EV and leased an ICE car for the next few years. Others claim they will rent a gas car for future roadtrips.
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I'm planning on taking my Kona EV on its first road trip in awhile this June from Palm Springs to Santa Barbara then on to Ojai and back. On paper, there appears to be quite a few charging options along the way. They good news is that I will not be in a hurry to get to my destinations so I should be able to find a charger. Our hotel in Ojai has 6 level 2 chargers first come first serve so we got that going for us. If I was on any type of tight schedule I would definitely rent an ICE vehicle...
 
I am planning to take the ebike to the solar eclipse April 8. 50 miles round trip to Seymour IN from my summer camp at Marysville. It is mostly flat so the battery might make it both ways, if the wind is not too high.
 
There's a lot of cherry picking on both sides, I've just watched a video of a 100K Tesla, still at 89% battery, bearing in mind that doesn't include the 4kw buffer.
It's still in great condition, and been supercharged hundreds of times.

I have many problems with EVs

Scaling up is next to impossible without epic levels of investment and first world grabbing of resources.

The battery is too expensive as a total of the car, and they are now becoming unrepairable, if it goes dead out of warranty, the car is scrap for parts.

If you crash and are trapped in a burning car, the chances are you will burn to death.

They only solve local exhaust emissions, they are actually far worse for road degredation and tyre wear particulates.

But on the upside, they can be charged with many different technologies, and there is a perfect crossover with home battery storage, solar panels and cheap off peak electricity to make max use of renewables.

Tesla powerwalls are made from old car batteries, soon there will be enough to power every house and possibly degrid them for large parts of the year.

I,'ll never buy one though 😂
 
I thoroughly expect to buy or lease an electric car or van ... but not real soon now. The motors are fine, batteries are on about their second or third generation and improving fast, but have a long way to go to catch up to a century of development of ICE vehicles during which time batteries were basically ignored. edison-bailey-electric-car-e1603000330319.jpg
 
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I thoroughly expect to buy or lease an electric car or van ... but not real soon now. The motors are fine, batteries are on about their second or third generation and improving fast, but have a long way to go to catch up to a century of development of ICE vehicles during which time batteries were basically ignored.View attachment 173132
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That looks like Tom in the picture, no?
 
Grin Tech have a video with the usual highly detailed discussion on ebike battery fires.
You won't get a better talk than this , if you can stay awake.
If you watch the whole thing, you will be an expert in every possible area of ebike battery construction

 
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Chargeride said:
Grin Tech have a video with the usual highly detailed discussion on ebike battery fires.
You won't get a better talk than this , if you can stay awake.
If you watch the whole thing, you will be an expert in every possible area of ebike battery construction

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I wish people would either learn to write or at least provide a transcript. I hate sitting through videos :mad:.
 
With eBikes in my Nor. Cal. climate I have been liberated! I have been able to go car free since January 20th of 2018. That is over six-years of not looking for parking or waiting at traffic lights. I cross town 2X faster than the people suck in cages, some are large cages. But they are all made of foil. Some burn smoky dinosaurs others require proprietary chargers and batteries, with title, tax, and insurance as the cream and costly cherry on top. Plus payments. Now I am free. I also went 'smart phone' free. Those are dumbing. That is wonderful and amazing. Everyone should try it. A mom wanted to use her phone yesterday but couldn't because her two-year-old found out how to scroll Netflix. The 13-year-old wanted a 40 mph electric motorcycle and she wanted to buy him one. Those kids eat candy for breakfast because that is what they demand. I tried to say, 'You don't really want an electric motorcycle'. The impact of falling three feet from a one story window is survivable at 20 mph. The impact from falling from an fourth story window at 40 mph is most likely to make for death, ICU brokenness, or permanent veg. That is exactly what she wants for her teen to keep him from whining.
 
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indianajo said:
I read at 1000 wpm and listen at 80 wpm. Guess which media I prefer?
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I am actually a rather slow reader nowadays; I always have to keep going back to reread something then flip forward again 🙃 to where I was. Senility is a terrible thing...
 
PedalUma said:
With eBikes in my Nor. Cal. climate I have been liberated! I have been able to go car free since January 20th of 2018. That is over six-years of not looking for parking or waiting at traffic lights. I cross town 2X faster than the people suck in cages, some are large cages. But they are all made of foil. Some burn smoky dinosaurs others require proprietary chargers and batteries, with title, tax, and insurance as the cream and costly cherry on top. Plus payments. Now I am free. I also went 'smart phone' free. Those are dumbing. That is wonderful and amazing. Everyone should try it. A mom wanted to use her phone yesterday but couldn't because her two-year-old found out how to scroll Netflix. The 13-year-old wanted a 40 mph electric motorcycle and she wanted to buy him one. Those kids eat candy for breakfast because that is what they demand. I tried to say, 'You don't really want an electric motorcycle'. The impact of falling three feet from a one story window is survivable at 20 mph. The impact from falling from an fourth story window at 40 mph is most likely to make for death, ICU brokenness, or permanent veg. That is exactly what she wants for her teen to keep him from whining.
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Aging makes it worse . Even a 20 mph collision at 70 years of age will be crippling. A 40 mph collision means death. That (plus the size/weight of modern SUVs) keeps me away from motorcycles.
 
kevinmccune said:
again vado!
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Art Deco said:
I am actually a rather slow reader nowadays; I always have to keep going back to reread something then flip forward again 🙃 to where I was. Senility is a terrible thing...
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I have no idea how fast I read, but I have been known to stare at the same word for more than ten minutes.
At least it felt like ten minutes. 😂
 
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