Specialized Turbo Vado/Como/Tero/Tero X User Club

[citivas]

Choose:

1. Como, if you prefer the comfort of Rolls-Royce;
2. Vado, if Ferrari is what you like;
3. Vado SL if you are a healthy person, need exercise, and would like to be able to carry the bike in your hands if you need (I'm serious here).

I'm a Ferrari fan

What makes the Vado a Ferrari versus the Como exactly? To extend the metaphor, in this case the Rolls-Royce has the same engine as the Ferrari, and is a little lighter which helps output and range. It has most of the same major components -- brakes, gears, etc. It basically seems to come down to tires and rider orientation, right?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

According to what Como owners say, that e-bike is just very comfy. As I own a Vado, I can only say it is a very sporty e-bike. (I had to rise the handlebars a little though for more comfort).
P.S. All my e-bikes are fast. Only the Vado gives the feeling of being a sports e-bike, good for zooming around...

 

[abpdx]

Help me decide! I’m torn between the Vado 3.0 and the 4.0. I can’t find a 4.0 in stock anywhere. I am concerned that the 3.0 being a class 1 will get annoying when the motor tops helping, but tbh I don’t often go above 20 mph actually peddling..more like just hitting that speed on the downhills. Any thought on range of the 460wh battery, hitting the 20mph “wall” and the lower specs on the components?

 

[BarryS]

And wear a helmet...

I have a helmet because My Brotehr-in-law works where I was able to get a steal on an Parachute Otherwise Helmets are way way way over-priced for what you get vs Motorcycle helmets

Help me decide! I’m torn between the Vado 3.0 and the 4.0. I can’t find a 4.0 in stock anywhere. I am concerned that the 3.0 being a class 1 will get annoying when the motor tops helping, but tbh I don’t often go above 20 mph actually peddling..more like just hitting that speed on the downhills. Any thought on range of the 460wh battery, hitting the 20mph “wall” and the lower specs on the components?

Vado 4 I would wait to long I see they have raised prices on teh website :

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Any thought on range of the 460wh battery, hitting the 20mph “wall” and the lower specs on the components?

Perhaps it is better to wait for the 2021 models? I can tell you nothing is wrong with Class 1 but the 460 Wh battery is really limiting. You would also like to have thru-axles, better brakes, etc., etc.

I have a helmet because My Brotehr-in-law works where I was able to get a steal on an Parachute Otherwise Helmets are way way way over-priced for what you get vs Motorcycle helmets

I can remember the only day I rode out helmet-less and had a bad fall at high speed. Not anymore! Always helmeted rides!

 

[citivas]

Help me decide! I’m torn between the Vado 3.0 and the 4.0. I can’t find a 4.0 in stock anywhere. I am concerned that the 3.0 being a class 1 will get annoying when the motor tops helping, but tbh I don’t often go above 20 mph actually peddling..more like just hitting that speed on the downhills. Any thought on range of the 460wh battery, hitting the 20mph “wall” and the lower specs on the components?

The Vado 3.0 is class 3. I saw the sticker myself on the one I test rode, the LBS tech said it and its in a bunch of the reviews.

 

[citivas]

Perhaps it is better to wait for the 2021 models? I can tell you nothing is wrong with Class 1 but the 460 Wh battery is really limiting. You would also like to have thru-axles, better brakes, etc., etc.


I can remember the only day I rode out helmet-less and had a bad fall at high speed. Not anymore! Always helmeted rides!

2021 Vado 3.0 is already in stores. The L is actually the only Vado right now that's not out of stock on Specialized website online too. It is Class 3 and still has the 1.2e motor and 460Wh battery.

 

[Art Deco]

What makes the Vado a Ferrari versus the Como exactly? To extend the metaphor, in this case the Rolls-Royce has the same engine as the Ferrari, and is a little lighter which helps output and range. It has most of the same major components -- brakes, gears, etc. It basically seems to come down to tires and rider orientation, right?

Diferent chainring that gives more torque in the Vado, along with a geometry that is made to standup on pedals easily makes Vado a better climber. Long fixed fork angle with soft tires and cushy seat and grips makes Como a better crusier. Maybe.

 

[abpdx]

I'm not 100% certain that the 3.0 is a class 3 bike. Even on the Specialized website the 3.0 step over frame specifies the top assist speed is 28 mph, the step over doesn't list, a top assist speed. Others on this forum have said the 3.0 is a Class 1 bike. I'm completely unsure.

 

[Art Deco]

My 2019 Como3 and the 2019 Vado3 were class1 bikes, the 2021 Como3 still is but I was told the 2021 Vado3 is a class 3. Specialized changes the class with the model year.

 

[citivas]

I'm not 100% certain that the 3.0 is a class 3 bike. Even on the Specialized website the 3.0 step over frame specifies the top assist speed is 28 mph, the step over doesn't list, a top assist speed. Others on this forum have said the 3.0 is a Class 1 bike. I'm completely unsure.

I can only say that the Vado 3.0 I test road last week definitely had a Class 3 sticker and that the LBS said it was Class 3, plus the reviews. Perhaps it changed with model year?

 

[citivas]

My 2019 Como3 and the 2019 Vado3 were class1 bikes, the 2020 Como3 still is but I was told the 2020 Vado3 is a class 3. Specialized changes the class with the model year.

It is interesting if the Como is Class 1 and the Vado Class 3 with the same motor. Does that mean they are software-suppressing its capacity on the Como 3.0?

 

[Art Deco]

It is interesting if the Como is Class 1 and the Vado Class 3 with the same motor. Does that mean they are software-suppressing its capacity on the Como 3.0?

They 'suppress' the speed on all turbos, just at different speeds. The weakness of the 1.2e motor isn't speed, but it's lacking the hill climbing torque of the 1.2 in return for better range on a smaller battery. A Como or Vado 3 will get very similar range to a Como or Vado 4 .

 

[Stefan Mikes]

For all of you unhappy with Trigger Sport tyres on your Vados:

Ever take your Vado off road?

Levo SL Good point. I’ve now hijacked the thread, but my LBS knows how much I absolutely love my Creo SL, and they said even though I’m an MTB newbie I will also love the Levo SL to the point where I’ll ride it in snow! Is this true?

electricbikereview.com

 

[Marcela]

I read somewhere that it is the knobs on tires that squirm that causes rolling resistance. The very light Epic Expert Carbon 29er mtb I have falls into that category though easy to pedal and very light weight.

I took my Como down and up a loose rock grade that I previously had taken the Vado with it's Triggers to compare the performance of two different tires. I could tell no difference between the smooth Como tires or the Triggers from what I could remember.

Sometimes I wonder if the 'knobbed' tires thing is a little over blown.

 

[abpdx]

They 'suppress' the speed on all turbos, just at different speeds. The weakness of the 1.2e motor isn't speed, but it's lacking the hill climbing torque of the 1.2 in return for better range on a smaller battery. A Como or Vado 3 will get very similar range to a Como or Vado 4 .

This appears to be the case. I read somewhere that they have suppressed the torque on the “e” by about 15%

 

[citivas]

This appears to be the case. I read somewhere that they have suppressed the torque on the “e” by about 15%

So is the 1.2e motor really exactly the same 1.2 motor hardware just with firmware suppression?

 

[PaD]

So is the 1.2e motor really exactly the same 1.2 motor hardware just with firmware suppression?

1.2E is a Brose Drive C (perhaps with Specialized tuning) and the Brose C, S and T seems to be basically the same.

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Brose eBike drive units are perfect collaborations on the highest level of the mechanical components, software and the individual biker.

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When the S ( called 1.3 at Specialized) was introduced I think I read that some components were changed vs older T to make the S version more efficient.
The Mag versions are different.

 

[abpdx]

1.2E is a Brose Drive C (perhaps with Specialized tuning) and the Brose C, S and T seems to be basically the same.

Product

Brose eBike drive units are perfect collaborations on the highest level of the mechanical components, software and the individual biker.

www.brose-ebike.com

When the S ( called 1.3 at Specialized) was introduced I think I read that some components were changed vs older T to make the S version more efficient.
The Mag versions are different.

Brose 1.3 motor vs Brose 1.2E motor - EMTB Forums

I am going to do some testing in the coming weeks on the two motors. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are now identical motors.

www.emtbforums.com

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E' stands for 'Economical'
It has the same hardware as 1.2 motor but it is tuned to consume less energy than 1.2 motor.
Its peak torque at 60 rpm is 60NM compare to 75NM of original 1.2 motor and 90NM of 1.3 motor.
It offers around %30 more ride time compared to regular 1.2 motor with identical battery also around %30 less power.

 

[citivas]

Brose 1.3 motor vs Brose 1.2E motor - EMTB Forums

I am going to do some testing in the coming weeks on the two motors. I have a sneaky suspicion that they are now identical motors.

www.emtbforums.com

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E' stands for 'Economical'
It has the same hardware as 1.2 motor but it is tuned to consume less energy than 1.2 motor.
Its peak torque at 60 rpm is 60NM compare to 75NM of original 1.2 motor and 90NM of 1.3 motor.
It offers around %30 more ride time compared to regular 1.2 motor with identical battery also around %30 less power.

Thanks. I was aware of the specs (the the exact torque quoted on the 1.2 and 1.2e seem to vary by source), just curious whether the "tune" was entirely software or if there was any physical differences in the motor.