Specialized Turbo Vado/Como/Tero/Tero X User Club

Bad idea I forgot you mentioned-three 604 Wh batteries from the Gen 1.
Yes. Additionally, there's only one 45 km/h Specialized e-bike now (Vado 6.0) that is Gen 1 too, the main difference is a suspension fork. The trouble is, Euro 45 km/h e-bikes are treated as motorized vehicles. Every single 45 km/h Vado comes with an individual Certificate of Compliance, etc. To deregister my old Vado would require making "the protocol of destruction" etc.
 
The News After The Failure of my MY2017 45 km/h Vado 5.0 (2019-2022)

My Vado 5.0 lasted for three years. The first ride on 1st of November 2019, and the major failure on 18th of October 2022. (I delivered the warranty card and the proof of purchase on 3rd of November this year to Specialized Warsaw).

Firstly, it turned out the carbon drive belt inside the Specialized 1.2s motor broke (the e-bike was out-of-warranty). Next, the Spec people discovered a frame crack around the motor area (a known design flaw for that e-bike series). The frame was on a lifetime warranty as I:
  1. Duly registered my Vado on specialized.com post the purchase
  2. I allowed Specialized do the "obligatory 1st service" after the first 200 km ridden.
(Be aware your Specialized frame would have its warranty limited to 2 years if you do not do the [1] as above).

I was worried. My Vado is registered and insured (technically speaking, it is a "moped" here). In any case I would need to complete the formalities such as deregistering the e-bike and terminating the insurance policy.

On 29th of November, I got the call from Specialized WAW: My frame warranty was accepted by Specialized. Unfortunately, the choice of the new frame colour was limited to beige-brown or red. I chose the red, as the fasterestest colour :) I will have to pay for the new motor, as agreed before.

There will be many formalities to complete. The new frame will come with the new VIN, so I will need to properly update the registration... Cannot wait to get my Highway Star again!

Sorry to hear about the drive unit failure, especially on the 1.2 motors. I broke my 1.3 motor and was able to warranty that as it was within the first 6 months of riding the bike to the shop, approx 4500mi. Frustrating that the belt failures are to be expected on these drive units. Did the dealer make any attempt to get a good will warranty coverage of the drive unit? You seem to have extensive service records, that usually goes a long way trying to get a drive unit covered outside of the warranty period. At least with Bosch it does, not that I've had to warranty many drive units.
 
So the belt takes a dump and the motor with it?
We are talking about the internal drive belt of the Specialized/Brose motor. That belt is responsible for the silent operation of older motors such as 1.2e, 1.2, 1.2s, 1.3 or 2.1.
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Once the carbon fibre belt gets worn (everything gets eventually worn), it will break, making the motor useless. Yes, it is possible to find the appropriate belt and replace it. However, replacing the whole motor is simpler, and that's what is typically done. (Photo taken in Specialized Warsaw: an exhibit motor).

The frame crack is unrelated to the motor failure. There is a design flaw in old Vados making the frame crack in the motor area due to the material fatigue. Unfortunately, that was the case with my model-year 2017 Vado.
 
We are talking about the internal drive belt of the Specialized/Brose motor. That belt is responsible for the silent operation of older motors such as 1.2e, 1.2, 1.2s, 1.3 or 2.1.
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Once the carbon fibre belt gets worn (everything gets eventually worn), it will break, making the motor useless. Yes, it is possible to find the appropriate belt and replace it. However, replacing the whole motor is simpler, and that's what is typically done. (Photo taken in Specialized Warsaw: an exhibit motor).

The frame crack is unrelated to the motor failure. There is a design flaw in old Vados making the frame crack in the motor area due to the material fatigue. Unfortunately, that was the case with my model-year 2017 Vado.
Are there any third party motor repair/recondition companies you could take the motor to? Like Rab did with his Giant motor in Scotland? Possibly save you several hundred euros...
 
We are talking about the internal drive belt of the Specialized/Brose motor. That belt is responsible for the silent operation of older motors such as 1.2e, 1.2, 1.2s, 1.3 or 2.1.
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Once the carbon fibre belt gets worn (everything gets eventually worn), it will break, making the motor useless. Yes, it is possible to find the appropriate belt and replace it. However, replacing the whole motor is simpler, and that's what is typically done. (Photo taken in Specialized Warsaw: an exhibit motor).

The frame crack is unrelated to the motor failure. There is a design flaw in old Vados making the frame crack in the motor area due to the material fatigue. Unfortunately, that was the case with my model-year 2017 Vado.
Okay, I see what is happening then. There is a shop in UK that rebuilds the Brose that I have watched before on youtube. They do kind of a bullet proof version for the emtb crowd you might want to check out. It is titled Ebike Motor Centre (Performance Line Bearings).

Good luck on the replacement setup.
 
Certainly. the motor could be rebuilt, and such services do exist in the EU (we do not do much trade with the UK now). If I rebuild the motor, it will be kept as a spare.

I am more worried with the e-bike rebuild. There might be numerous issues with the Vado rebuild simply because 2018-present Vado 6.0 is not exactly the MY2017 Vado 5.0. I could name a different fork, axles, wheel hubs. Let us wait and see.

Specialized would be the best off just to give me a new Vado 6.0 without the battery, and I would pay for the motor. I expect many problems with de-registering my Vado 5.0 moped now: It needs to be officially destroyed to get proper papers, the "demolition service" is not very positive to spend their time on such a trifle as my "moped", and they will ask me to pay for the old frame demolition...
 
sorry to hear what your going through Stephan i wish you luck on the new frame and motor hope you get your new bike up and riding soon
 
Sorry to hear about your bike Stefan. I come with similar bad news on my 2022 Vado. Shortly after hitting 1,000 miles, my motor completely cut out while riding (with the battery near full). The display said to check the app for an error message, and the app said "The motor had an internal error. Switch off the bike completely, wait a few seconds and then restart it."

After the restart, I got motor support for about 2 seconds before it died again. Has not come back since. Oddly, the walk assist still works.

My LBS did a firmware update, which didn't fix it, and just filed a warranty claim with Specialized. My bike is my main method of transportation, so I'm concerned about how long it's going to take. I have access to a car most of the time but am debating getting a cheaper pre-owned manual bike while I'm waiting.
 
Sorry to hear about your bike Stefan. I come with similar bad news on my 2022 Vado. Shortly after hitting 1,000 miles, my motor completely cut out while riding (with the battery near full). The display said to check the app for an error message, and the app said "The motor had an internal error. Switch off the bike completely, wait a few seconds and then restart it."

After the restart, I got motor support for about 2 seconds before it died again. Has not come back since. Oddly, the walk assist still works.

My LBS did a firmware update, which didn't fix it, and just filed a warranty claim with Specialized. My bike is my main method of transportation, so I'm concerned about how long it's going to take. I have access to a car most of the time but am debating getting a cheaper pre-owned manual bike while I'm waiting.
As long as your warranty is valid, you should get a satisfactory solution from Spec. Only pity you have been deprived of your favoured way of transportation. Good luck!
 
Sorry to hear about your bike Stefan. I come with similar bad news on my 2022 Vado. Shortly after hitting 1,000 miles, my motor completely cut out while riding (with the battery near full). The display said to check the app for an error message, and the app said "The motor had an internal error. Switch off the bike completely, wait a few seconds and then restart it."

After the restart, I got motor support for about 2 seconds before it died again. Has not come back since. Oddly, the walk assist still works.

My LBS did a firmware update, which didn't fix it, and just filed a warranty claim with Specialized. My bike is my main method of transportation, so I'm concerned about how long it's going to take. I have access to a car most of the time but am debating getting a cheaper pre-owned manual bike while I'm waiting.
Sorry to hear that Coleworld hope that they get it fixed or replace it for you soon good luck
 
Any updates on your bike?
Yes. There are issues with the MY2017 45 km/h Vado 5.0 as it was not only produced for a year but it is also a European L1e-B moped with a lot of regulations around.

Specialized Warsaw has made these suggestions:
  • The only frame they can get is for Vado 6.0 size S. It is 8 mm shorter than the original frame, and the seat-tube is 50 mm shorter.
  • They would order and pay a 450 mm Kinekt 2.1 seat-post to compensate
  • The frame comes with a suspension fork in MTB Boost size while the original rigid fork was Road Boost. The LBS will throw a new wheel into the bargain.
The new 1.2s motor is there. As my original motor was post-warranty, I will need to pay for the new motor.

The remaining issue is the slightly shorter frame. I intend to buy and install a long Redshift ShockStop stem to compensate for the reach.
I will also need to get the old frame to demolish it at a certified junkyard service to be able to de-register and de-insure the old "moped".
 
Yes. There are issues with the MY2017 45 km/h Vado 5.0 as it was not only produced for a year but it is also a European L1e-B moped with a lot of regulations around.

Specialized Warsaw has made these suggestions:
  • The only frame they can get is for Vado 6.0 size S. It is 8 mm shorter than the original frame, and the seat-tube is 50 mm shorter.
  • They would order and pay a 450 mm Kinekt 2.1 seat-post to compensate
  • The frame comes with a suspension fork in MTB Boost size while the original rigid fork was Road Boost. The LBS will throw a new wheel into the bargain.
The new 1.2s motor is there. As my original motor was post-warranty, I will need to pay for the new motor.

The remaining issue is the slightly shorter frame. I intend to buy and install a long Redshift ShockStop stem to compensate for the reach.
I will also need to get the old frame to demolish it at a certified junkyard service to be able to de-register and de-insure the old "moped".
That is a bummer, Stefan, and I am sorry to hear your beloved Vado is no more. I hope you are able to make the replacement work for you just as well as the original did.
 
Yes. There are issues with the MY2017 45 km/h Vado 5.0 as it was not only produced for a year but it is also a European L1e-B moped with a lot of regulations around.

Specialized Warsaw has made these suggestions:
  • The only frame they can get is for Vado 6.0 size S. It is 8 mm shorter than the original frame, and the seat-tube is 50 mm shorter.
  • They would order and pay a 450 mm Kinekt 2.1 seat-post to compensate
  • The frame comes with a suspension fork in MTB Boost size while the original rigid fork was Road Boost. The LBS will throw a new wheel into the bargain.
The new 1.2s motor is there. As my original motor was post-warranty, I will need to pay for the new motor.

The remaining issue is the slightly shorter frame. I intend to buy and install a long Redshift ShockStop stem to compensate for the reach.
I will also need to get the old frame to demolish it at a certified junkyard service to be able to de-register and de-insure the old "moped".
Ugggh...maybe, just maybe, they could offer an offset to apply to a new 2022 or 2023 Vado? It might be worth the effort.
 
I own as many as three 604 Wh batteries in the older format.
Just be careful you don't spend too much trying to use those old style batteries. I'm listening to an Amazon Audiobook - Sway: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior. It has examples of people making small rational decisions to prevent loss that added up to an irrational decision. I am lucky because the motor on my old Turbo S is no longer made or even serviced. I know I will only be able to ride it until the motor breaks even though I have two good batteries.
 
Just be careful you don't spend too much trying to use those old style batteries. I'm listening to an Amazon Audiobook - Sway: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior. It has examples of people making small rational decisions to prevent loss that added up to an irrational decision. I am lucky because the motor on my old Turbo S is no longer made or even serviced. I know I will only be able to ride it until the motor breaks even though I have two good batteries.
These three batteries I own are worth the same today as my Vado alone when I bought it in 2019...
 
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