Stefan Mikes
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Because Yamaha does not make a lightweight e-bike motor?When you look at this gorgeous bike you do wonder why there isn’t a super light ebike version.
Because Yamaha does not make a lightweight e-bike motor?When you look at this gorgeous bike you do wonder why there isn’t a super light ebike version.
That’s the point. Are they totally locked in to only using Yamaha or could they seek a lightweight motor partner - like the other big boys Cannondale Spesh & Trek etc to compete with them. Again it could be timing for both Giant & Yamaha- maybe better to hold off on new R&D until this industry crises resolves. Or, they just don’t care!Because Yamaha does not make a lightweight e-bike motor?
The issue for Giant is the only world market where road e-bikes make sense is the United States. Roadies in Europe ask: 'Why should I carry a burden of the motor and the battery to be only assisted to 25 km/h?' I find no answer to that. Europe is the principal market for Giant...
In both road bikes and e-road bikes there is some blurring happening between road and gravel these days. Endurance or All Road bikes with longer and more relaxed geo for greater distances in comfort plus greater tyre clearance that can be used on both roads and mild gravel are very popular. Looks like brands are capitalising by doing e gravel or e all road depending on tyres and components so the bike is a jack of all trades, one bike to do it all. In Europe we don't have the hundreds of desert or forest gravel/dirt roads. Most riding dips in and out of road & gravel so one bike to do it all makes sense.The issue for Giant is the only world market where road e-bikes make sense is the United States. Roadies in Europe ask: 'Why should I carry a burden of the motor and the battery to be only assisted to 25 km/h?' I find no answer to that. Europe is the principal market for Giant...
All they use hub-drive motors, and please do not tell me Mahle X system is any reliableOrbea, BH, Ribble, Boardman all have SL e road bikes
That’s not the point though is it? And hub motors for fit road cyclists are fine because they are lightweight so the bike feels responsive and the riders don’t need much assistance. Plus many, many, brands use Mahle X. Must be doing something right. Mahle are a reliable firm, just ask Specialized.All they use hub-drive motors, and please do not tell me Mahle X system is any reliable
Giant would not go that way.
ALL ebike motors fail. Specialized are no exception. But Spesh are prompt with warranty claims and repairs. Whereas there seems to be a lot of hassle with the brands that use Mahle. Particularly in North America. Hard to tell why, as in is this mahle’s fault or the brand or both? Where does the buck stop? My own shop where I bought my Vado SL said at least half the emtbs they sell need new motors under warranty and they sell loads of Spesh Trek etc. And this is backed up by the companies who repair motors. The wet climate in U.K. is really bad for mid drives as the motor seals are often not great so water damage is terrible. That’s what knocked out my SL motor - twice.Haven't you noticed only the SL motor is made by Mahle (and Specialized has the exclusive rights to the motor) but all the SL infrastructure is Specialized?
Mahle X electronics is unreliable. Read these Fora more carefully...
A little reading for you
More and more ebike manufacturers go Fazua or TQ.