Ride report for the new Yamaha bikes

Electric Pete

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I find it rather strange that nobody else has done this yet, and the last post was 10 July!!

The truck with all the present Yamaha goodness showed up on 12 July. Of course I was excited to get them. I had been anticipating this moment since last fall at Interbike, and figured Yamaha lost interest when I didn't get any contact until April, and then nothing more until June!

Myself and two others took out the three models to do some photos and get an idea about the ride. The bikes looked incredible and they rode as expected.

Cross Connect- well done and easy to assemble with no surprise leftover parts. The sneaky packers at Yamaha do their best to hide the headlight bolt. I found all but one in my assembling. Putting the three sizes side by side shows real differences. Its easy to pick out each size easily even if they arent together. SO far I already had a customer needing an XL. He sat on the L bike and found it too small. The bike switches on quickly and is ready to go almost immediately, unlike other brands where you have to wait for a boot-up sequence. The bike ALWAYS boots up in no assist mode. Pressing the up button you get two eco settings that illuminate a green light bar at the top of the display. The two higher settings have a blue light. The up-down buttons are large and easy to use and wont be a problem when the weather gets colder and you are wearing gloves.

The ride is smooth. You almost cant tell you are under assist, its THAT smooth. As you shift through the gears and gain speed you soon find out a quirk- Assist only goes to 19 and not 20! The bike feels light and manueverable and not like its almost 50 pounds.

The headlight has a good beam that is useful when it gets dark. The taillight is in the back edge of the rack and not on the lower fender where the reflector sits. An easy button press lights up these lights as well as the display.

Cross Core- Same as the connect, only it has cable disk brakes instead of hydraulic. No rack means you dont get a taillight either, but I'm sure many people will just get a rack when they are available, as well as a kickstand that also gets left off for your $2300 price.

Urban Rush- I'm not a big drop bar fan, but I had to see just what this bike was like so I took it on a critical mass ride just to test it on some crappy roads and ride more than a few miles. No surprises. It also performed well and the brifters were easy to use and worked with precision. When I did the short test ride earlier, I had brushed my leg against the rear caliper and almost got a nice burn, so be careful of that. It wasnt until later that I realized a BIG plus about this bike that I didnt notice while riding. Most aluminum drop bar bikes are very jarring over bumps and my arms get a lot of abuse because of that. I'm not sure if its the tires/fork/frame, or a combination of all of them that make this bike a surprisingly compliant ride even though it has a solid front fork! My arms had no after effects despite navigating through the potholed streets of Cleveland, OH.

Like the Core, the rush also has a headlight, and no taillight.... and you guessed it, no kickstand either! Luckily Yamaha does have the bosses on the frame for the stand, and of course all the dealers want them, but they arent available yet. I'm going to get some from another manufacturer who will have them before Yamaha just so these bikes can stand by themselves. I'm sure customers wont mind an small extra fee for a kickstand.

I'll add some pics later if you folks want them.

Later is also the answer for "when is the TORC coming?"

-Pete
 
Thank you. I will admit a fondness for Yamaha products both in stringed instruments and motorcycles. I have been impressed with their drives too. They work quite well.

-Pete
 
TDX-Torc bikes should be out, I'm told that my local shop just got some in receiving. I'm really excited to jump on it again. I like the Yamaha bikes a lot, I think they're going to quietly become a consumer favorite.
I say 'quietly' because the bikes aren't making any big waves in tech or design; the interbike showing last year had nothing whizz-bang about it. I'm very interested to see how this slow approach will do for Yamaha, since the industry at large is on a endless carousel of fads and minor tech innovations.
 

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How is it pedaling past 19/20 mph ?
How's the noise level ?

Pedaling past 19mph is fine on the mechanical side; the electric system doesn't interfere with the gearing when you exceed the assist limit. I sincerely wish the limit were increased.
For the noise level; it's noisier due to the motor upgrade. These systems use the new PW-SE motor (an improvement on the old PW system) that has some marked improvements in torque, and that torque causes noise. I used to see Yamaha as being quieter than Bosch, now they're about the same... Oh well.
 
The Yamaha's drive systems are butter smooth. The overall bike build appears to be much more solid, and more refined than all the other mid drive ebikes out there. You can see it in everything, even down to the metal casing on the high power headlights, metal enclosure on the display, and the two bolt seat clamps. It just looks like an ebike that will last and last. (maybe thats why they offer a 3 year warranty right off the bat?) What's even more amazing, is they are pricing this highly refined, and solid ebike, at near hub drive prices that dont have the same level of components, and rather than starting well above $3000, they are starting in the lower $2000's. The efficiency appears to be better too on the Yamaha, as Im getting about another 10 to 15 miles longer with same size battery, and a comparable weight ebike, and battery size on a Bosch.
I also really dont understand what anyone is saying about noise. I can barely hear the motor at all. I know two people with Giants, they paid $1000 more for than the CrossConnect, and their battery range is less, which is interesting, because the Giants have a Yamaha mid drive, though Yamaha states their mid drives on their own Yamaha bikes are tuned differently. I've ridden the Giants, and the Yamaha's just feel better and more nimble, and feel like you are in better control. I have also easily gotten to 23 mph on a flat, and maintained 20 up a fairly steep incline, so Im not sure what people are complaining about regarding speed. Most people ride well below 20 mph on average, and its a known fact that wind resistance increases more (its not a linear curve) once you get around 20 mph. Usually a rider will begin to feel the impact of wind resistance around 15 mph, which is exactly what the charts show, as there is a change in the curve of wind resistance vs speed. On an ebike, that becomes a lot less noticeable, so riding from 15 to 20 mph, feels largely the same. There is an inflection point on the chart, that shows wind resistance starts to ramp up more considerably right around 20 mph. Less than 5% of my customers come in asking for an ebike that is able to go over 20 mph, or up to 28 mph. and yes Yamaha has been very quiet, with little fanfare or marketing thus far. Though considering they invented the first ebike in 1989, introduced them in the early 90's in Japan, and have sold over 6 million drive units since then, it is certainly been a 'stealth' ebike path for them into the world markets. Perhaps that is the nature of a conservative Japan designed product and Japan company? Toyota for years did the same thing, and then before anyone knows it, they become one of the top car company's in the US, with reliability exceeding every other vehicle out there, for decades now, and everyone else playing catch up. Honda is the same way. Pedego and others may currently 'out market' someone like Yamaha, but there is just no comparison on refinement, weight, quality to the Yamaha. It feels much more like a regular bike, just with the added assistance. Eventually the US consumer will catch on to Yamaha, just like they did with Toyota, and Honda for their cars. Reliability makes a HUGE difference, particularly if you decide to use these for commuting, and ironically 'ditch' your Toyota or Honda on a regular basis, for the pleasure and exercise and health benefits of an ebike.
 
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