Honestly, I've only had the Revolt above the middle setting a few times over the entire time I've owned it. I'll jump it up and down the whole range next time I'm climbing out of town and see if I can feel the difference. I suspect that the highest settings don't feel too much different because you start hitting the motor cap (my FTP is ~200w, so 250% assist is using 500w of motor if I'm pushing hard; going to 375% assist probably doesn't get too much more actual assist out of the motor, it just gets there quicker).While we’re here, Jabberwocky, next time you‘re whiffling through the tulgey wood on that Revolt and a decent hill appears, could you let me know about the feel of those top two levels of assist on yours? When I go from Eco+ to Eco to Standard on my Civante, the boost change is obvious for each level, but if I then step it up to High, I swear I feel no difference over Standard. I don’t know how they’re labeled on the Revolt, but I expect the output levels are supposed to be set similarly.
The stock/supply chain issue hadn’t occurred to me, strangely, but now that you mention it, that’s a pretty good bet.
Did you know Shimano only makes Class 1 motors? These are appropriate for Canada.US page still seems to indicate Yamaha. Canadian site explicitly says EP8.
That.... makes sense. I never thought about it, but as popular as Shimanos motors are, they do seem to mainly live in EMTB which are almost universally class 1s. I imagine Shimano could turn them into class 3 motors with a software change if they wanted to.Did you know Shimano only makes Class 1 motors? These are appropriate for Canada.
The Canadian 2022 Revolt E (not pro) isn't class 3 I don't think. Does Canada have a class 3 equivalent at all, or is everything capped at 20mph?That’s really interesting, since the Revolt has been a Class 3 bike since Day 1, and the website says it still is.
Never in Canada.That’s really interesting, since the Revolt has been a Class 3 bike since Day 1, and the website says it still is.
Class 2 in the U.S. is 20 mph and throttle only. U.S. Class 1 is 750 W, 20 mph, PAS.In Canada assist speed is limited to 32Km/h and max power of 500W, which is closer to Class 2 in US.
Shimano has never supported Class 3, Dave.This looks super interesting, but I note no reference to whether it will be Class 3 anymore in the USA. No pricing on the website either so far.
Shimano has never supported Class 3, Dave.
I have heard the Giant really already does this for special frames that they supposedly make for one of the other big 4 bike manufacturers. And they would then have a backup supply of motors without any issues by buying from both.That.... makes sense. I never thought about it, but as popular as Shimanos motors are, they do seem to mainly live in EMTB which are almost universally class 1s. I imagine Shimano could turn them into class 3 motors with a software change if they wanted to.
Still a little weird, because the mounting pattern is totally different, so if Giant is going Shimano in some regions and Yamaha in others, they need to control the supply lines for two different frames now. But I guess for a company as huge as Giant thats a manageable thing. I guess we will find out more when the 2022 bikes start trickling out on the US website later this year. If they do mix motors across regions, wonder if the batteries will remain common.
That would be against the whole Shimano philosophy. Let's see what the future holds!I'm pretty sure that if a company like Giant wanted an EP8 unit that assists to 28mph, Shimano could make that happen pretty easily. The cutoff is just software.
That would be against the whole Shimano philosophy. Let's see what the future holds!