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Larry Ganz
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I'm not very fit at 55 due to one working lung at high altitude (and chronic tendonitis with fibromyalgia), so climbing is really tough - hence the eBike (Trek Powerfly 7).
My wife and I have done a couple of rides that have been 17-25 miles long (27-40km) with 1500-1800 feet of climbing (550m). And we also made a couple of easy 30 mile rides with only 800 feet of total climbing. But nothing more than about a 12% grade at the steepest parts of our routine rides. These long climbing rides typically use up about 2-3 bars out of 5 on my 500WH battery.
Your climb was more impressive because you did it over a shorter distance with steeper grades.
I routinely go on a 7 mile ride in my hilly neighborhood (11km), which includes about 850 feet (260m) of climbing for about one third of the ride. While the ride has ups and downs, the total elevation gain is only about 600 feet from the bottom of the hill back up to my house. Without an eBike I could never make the climb, even with oxygen at 5 liters.
I tried it the other day staying in only level 1 out of 4 assist (ECO) for the first time, and I thought I was gonna die by the end of the climb. I didn't even use up 1 out of 5 bars of battery on the ride, but with all the work I did struggling to maintain 5-6mph uphill in 1st gear, I could barely walk the next day. Usually I need 2/4 assist (TOUR) to keep up with my wife on this ride, and level 3/4 (SPORT) to do it effortlessly (more fun, less exercise). Level 4/4 (TURBO) feels like cheating, but boy can it climb steep single track off-road trails in 1st gear in turbo.
My wife and I have done a couple of rides that have been 17-25 miles long (27-40km) with 1500-1800 feet of climbing (550m). And we also made a couple of easy 30 mile rides with only 800 feet of total climbing. But nothing more than about a 12% grade at the steepest parts of our routine rides. These long climbing rides typically use up about 2-3 bars out of 5 on my 500WH battery.
Your climb was more impressive because you did it over a shorter distance with steeper grades.
I routinely go on a 7 mile ride in my hilly neighborhood (11km), which includes about 850 feet (260m) of climbing for about one third of the ride. While the ride has ups and downs, the total elevation gain is only about 600 feet from the bottom of the hill back up to my house. Without an eBike I could never make the climb, even with oxygen at 5 liters.
I tried it the other day staying in only level 1 out of 4 assist (ECO) for the first time, and I thought I was gonna die by the end of the climb. I didn't even use up 1 out of 5 bars of battery on the ride, but with all the work I did struggling to maintain 5-6mph uphill in 1st gear, I could barely walk the next day. Usually I need 2/4 assist (TOUR) to keep up with my wife on this ride, and level 3/4 (SPORT) to do it effortlessly (more fun, less exercise). Level 4/4 (TURBO) feels like cheating, but boy can it climb steep single track off-road trails in 1st gear in turbo.
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Saratoga Dave
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Good lord, I'd have a heart attack just looking at that early section! Where on earth is this, and yes, what bike?
Lovely place to ride through for sure.
Lovely place to ride through for sure.
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mrgold35
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Great video!
My inclines are much shorter runs and not as steep compared to that one. I live and ride between 4900-6000 feet (1495m - 1829m) and any inclines with a slight-heavy headwind and sometimes +100 degree heat (and lower oxygen with the altitude) can wear you out in a hurry. I couldn't have put +2500 miles on my other regular bike in the last 9 month like I could with my ebike.
My inclines are much shorter runs and not as steep compared to that one. I live and ride between 4900-6000 feet (1495m - 1829m) and any inclines with a slight-heavy headwind and sometimes +100 degree heat (and lower oxygen with the altitude) can wear you out in a hurry. I couldn't have put +2500 miles on my other regular bike in the last 9 month like I could with my ebike.
JRA
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I think that no matter what a certain level of fitness helps riding an e bike regardless of the terrain. But hills and headwinds present the biggest challenges.
The town I visited this weekend (Astoria, OR for those that might be familiar) is built on a hill for the most part capped by a column (represented by the highest point on the graph) that looks out towards the ocean. It makes for challenging biking as most of the uphill streets are quite steep although they get intersected by side streets every block if you need a break unlike the first one in jay vees post.
The beauty of e bikes is that you can put as much energy in as you want and also as much e assist as you want. For cranking up steep steady climbs however with an eye towards ah consumption and speed human effort helps a lot. This also pertains to headwinds. 450w's consumed btw with a steady edge of sweat effort.
The town I visited this weekend (Astoria, OR for those that might be familiar) is built on a hill for the most part capped by a column (represented by the highest point on the graph) that looks out towards the ocean. It makes for challenging biking as most of the uphill streets are quite steep although they get intersected by side streets every block if you need a break unlike the first one in jay vees post.
The beauty of e bikes is that you can put as much energy in as you want and also as much e assist as you want. For cranking up steep steady climbs however with an eye towards ah consumption and speed human effort helps a lot. This also pertains to headwinds. 450w's consumed btw with a steady edge of sweat effort.
Trail Cruiser
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You don't have to be "fit" as in athletic fit. That's the beauty of an e-bike since you can pedal up to a tolerable limit and then you have a virtual athlete assistant, pushing you along (at whatever assist level you want) like a strong tailwind. For me, it feels like I am 30 years younger and also brought back the fun I had with cycling.
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Hello, the trekkin models can remove the load rack of 25 kg of load and remove 2kg of weight that help you climb easier.
It's fine that you still have high unused assistance. It's a rocket.
The game of 20 marches is good in ascent, excellent in level and very good in descent. .... turn off the assist in descent, with the plate 48 and gear of the 11 to 60 turns of foot per minute you catch 50km / h.
The trekkin motor bosh without assistance turned off has 10 speeds and is excellent in climb but in level and down to 60 turns of foot per minute does not surpass the 16km / h, in steeper gradients could even rise with the same effort where the yamaha would have to Go on foot, but we all know that where it is used and spent battery is in the climbs and with the motor of 500w you could with gradients or sloping hills, you could also use the portalforjas and attach another battery and have 1000w of battery capacity ... .and double-step range capabilities. Another option but that would be more technical consultation is to change dishes and improve the gradient section to compare bosh.Cambiar 38 and 48, installing a plate 22-28 and 38 you had but you might need to be able to modify the engine assistance software . According to my calculations in 38 with gear of 11 by human effort to 60 turns of foot per minute I leave ....... 27.4km / h the rest until the 45 km / h would have to deliver the motor for a route In non-extant plain.
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It's fine that you still have high unused assistance. It's a rocket.
The game of 20 marches is good in ascent, excellent in level and very good in descent. .... turn off the assist in descent, with the plate 48 and gear of the 11 to 60 turns of foot per minute you catch 50km / h.
The trekkin motor bosh without assistance turned off has 10 speeds and is excellent in climb but in level and down to 60 turns of foot per minute does not surpass the 16km / h, in steeper gradients could even rise with the same effort where the yamaha would have to Go on foot, but we all know that where it is used and spent battery is in the climbs and with the motor of 500w you could with gradients or sloping hills, you could also use the portalforjas and attach another battery and have 1000w of battery capacity ... .and double-step range capabilities. Another option but that would be more technical consultation is to change dishes and improve the gradient section to compare bosh.Cambiar 38 and 48, installing a plate 22-28 and 38 you had but you might need to be able to modify the engine assistance software . According to my calculations in 38 with gear of 11 by human effort to 60 turns of foot per minute I leave ....... 27.4km / h the rest until the 45 km / h would have to deliver the motor for a route In non-extant plain.
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Magnificent videos JayVee! Great rides. Quite familiar country although its been a while. The sections between Morges and Cossonay (Gollion) were particularly familiar. You must be very fit !! Impressive. Some of your descent speeds were astonishing to me and the climbing speeds were impressive. Clearly your bike has a pretty big upper chainwheel 
Very nicely done and your camera set up is superbe. Magnifique randonnees dans le gros de Vaud
Very nicely done and your camera set up is superbe. Magnifique randonnees dans le gros de Vaud
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Great thread @JayVee I really appreciate the stats. I just started using this app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlogis.northamerica
Crazy amount of info it provides, over the app I was previously using and does not require an internet connection, just GPS. I recently did a 42 mile double-track trail ride in the Appalachian Mountains where there wasn't cell coverage for the entire ride... like the old days I like the numbers though and I like knowing what I'm in for when I choose a trail or route.
A lot of work posting all this, thanks!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.atlogis.northamerica
Crazy amount of info it provides, over the app I was previously using and does not require an internet connection, just GPS. I recently did a 42 mile double-track trail ride in the Appalachian Mountains where there wasn't cell coverage for the entire ride... like the old days
I like the numbers though and I like knowing what I'm in for when I choose a trail or route.A lot of work posting all this, thanks!
J.R.
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I'm with you on not logging in for the use of an app. The one I refrenced above is about $12. Expensive for an app, but worth it for all it offers. This is the dashboard I'm currently using.
There are other metrics, I'm still playing around with it. Boys and their toys.... I've also been shopping for an activity tracker, 3 years and counting. I can't wear the chest strap, even though my phone supports it. Speaking of which, my phone does have a HR sensor on it. If I could only figure out how to hold my thumb on the sensor, while riding
I'm with you on not logging in for the use of an app. The one I refrenced above is about $12. Expensive for an app, but worth it for all it offers. This is the dashboard I'm currently using.
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There are other metrics, I'm still playing around with it. Boys and their toys.... I've also been shopping for an activity tracker, 3 years and counting. I can't wear the chest strap, even though my phone supports it. Speaking of which, my phone does have a HR sensor on it. If I could only figure out how to hold my thumb on the sensor, while riding
J.R. Looks like a great app ..
Do you know if it will calculate and display the grade or slope?
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That's a very good question! I guess I've gotten so used to using topographic maps when planning a ride that it hadn't occurred to me to look for that real time metric. It could be helpful when posting rides to social media or as @JayVee has done with his videos. I will look into it. For good or bad though, real time grade means you're already on the grade and either the topo map overlay (or my lying eyes) prepared me. The older I get, the steeper the hills are!
There are some cool bike and riding tools here as well.
http://veloroutes.org/tools/
Thanks for the link ... I agree the hills around me are getting steeper every year ... Some serious terrain uplifting must be going on.
Anyway, there are some free cycling apps that use GPS to estimate near real time grade but they are not that accurate. I was curious if the topo app may be more accurate since it could potentially use topo elevation data along with phone GPS data to calculate slope of route.
