It's fire season again

[Mr. Coffee]

We've had 2 local arson fires in the last week, both quickly extinguished by the FDs, but yeah, what kind of a nut job does that?

Easy answer: the same kind of nut job that insists on having a camp fire during a total fire ban, and when the temperature is pushing 80 by 8am. There are a large number of popular camping areas within a few miles of my home, and I spent Monday chewing my fingernails right up to my elbow convinced that with the strong winds out of the northwest (where most of the camping is) I was about to be incinerated.

People are terrifyingly stupid.

 

[reed scott]

Burning cities. Burning forests. Same areas. Makes ya wonder.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Burning cities. Burning forests. Same areas. Makes ya wonder.

Only if you have no clue what you are talking about.

Point 1: The Cold Springs Fire/Pearl Hill Fire, currently the largest in Washington, started to the east of Omak, WA. Omak is 235 driving miles from Seattle, which doesn't sound like the "same area" in my book.

Point 2: The Beachie Creek Fire started approximately six miles North of Detroit, OR on August 16th. Prior to the Monday wind event the fire was roughly 500 acres and burning slowly in remote and inaccessible country.

I can keep going...

All of the fire starts I know of so far are consistent with accidental human-caused ignition. They tended to start in popular camping or hiking areas in most cases, and sometimes along highways where the ignition pattern was consistent with sparks from a moving vehicle (e.g. from dragging trailer safety chains or a blown tire).

 

[fooferdoggie]

come on now we all know it is antifa paratroopers jumping otu of those planes and starting the fires and then vanishing like ninja.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I saw three burned patches in portland along the bike path. we had serious wind that day one was a camp fire out of control the others who knows? but the homeless live on that path.

 

[PatriciaK]

come on now we all know it is antifa paratroopers jumping otu of those planes and starting the fires and then vanishing like ninja.

The sad thing is, there's about 40% of the population that actually believes that crap!!!

 

[reed scott]

Only if you have no clue what you are talking about.

Point 1: The Cold Springs Fire/Pearl Hill Fire, currently the largest in Washington, started to the east of Omak, WA. Omak is 235 driving miles from Seattle, which doesn't sound like the "same area" in my book.

Point 2: The Beachie Creek Fire started approximately six miles North of Detroit, OR on August 16th. Prior to the Monday wind event the fire was roughly 500 acres and burning slowly in remote and inaccessible country.

I can keep going...

All of the fire starts I know of so far are consistent with accidental human-caused ignition. They tended to start in popular camping or hiking areas in most cases, and sometimes along highways where the ignition pattern was consistent with sparks from a moving vehicle (e.g. from dragging trailer safety chains or a blown tire).

Arson investigation underway where human remains found at Almeda fire in Ashland, chief says

"The fire is being investigated as an arson, and the nature of how the person died is part of that investigation," Ashland Police Chief Tighe O'Meara said Friday.

www.oregonlive.com

I can post a lot of these if you have the time.

 

[john peck]

I wonder who might be crazy enough to be setting dozens of fires up and down the West coast?

THere have been many false conspiracy theories pushed blaming antifa, but it seems to me they would
have nothing to gain by dehousing blue voters.

 

[john peck]

If someone is behind these fires, I would think they´d have to be a very vindictive sort, know what I mean.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Arson investigation underway where human remains found at Almeda fire in Ashland, chief says

"The fire is being investigated as an arson, and the nature of how the person died is part of that investigation," Ashland Police Chief Tighe O'Meara said Friday.

www.oregonlive.com

Ashland, OR is over 280 miles from Portland. So again not "nearby".

Also, to quote the article:

“One thing I can say is that the rumor it was set by Antifa is 100% false information,” the police chief said by email. “We have some leads, and none of it points in that direction.”

Now, since we are beating this dead horse to burgers, I will continue:

1. None of the over 75 fire starts in Washington on September 8th were within 100 miles of Seattle.
2. The large fire starts in Oregon that were close to Portland were all to the southeast. Prevailing winds for this time of year are out of the northwest, and so these fires are generally being blown away from urban areas and further into the Cascades. If someone really wanted to cause chaos and harm they would have set their fires in the ample forestlands to the northwest of Portland. Under the conditions prevailing on September 8th such efforts would likely have destroyed half of Portland and many of the wealthy suburbs on the west side of the Willamette River.
3. As I said before, nearly all of the fire starts are consistent with losing control of campfires. Since many areas have total campfire bans at this time, if your illegal campfire started a wildfire that destroyed other buildings you might well be charged with arson, depending on local laws and the aggressiveness of local prosecuting attorneys.

Malevolent individuals are circulating half-baked conspiracy theories at this time. The intent is to cause good people to harm one another by chasing an imaginary enemy. Please don't continue this harm by propagated such garbage. Under normal circumstances people distributing such silly crap wouldn't be of concern to me, but since the intent is obviously to cause harm on a large scale as a good citizen I am obliged to call BS.

 

[john peck]

There are definite instances of arson, & itś not being done by the good guys.

 

[FlatSix911]

cool drone vid - blade runner San Francisco

Very cool video... it captures the feel of the current environment in NorCal.

 

[Tars Tarkas]

There are definite instances of arson, & itś not being done by the good guys.

By definition.

Not saying this is what you're doing here, but politicizing these fires is BS and extremely counter productive. To whatever extent an arsonist may be political he or she is way more criminal and/or insane than they are red or blue.

TT

 

[Mr. Coffee]

There are definite instances of arson, & itś not being done by the good guys.

Some of them are intentionally set, but the vast majority of fire starts this week were human caused and unintentional. Several of them originated in public parks and campgrounds, again consistent with idiot humans making campfires during a total fire ban.

There is no evidence, zero, zilch, nada, that there is any organized (or even disorganized) group behind all of these fires. Any such talk in the absence of such evidence is insane and ignorant.

 

[Art Deco]

Some of them are intentionally set, but the vast majority of fire starts this week were human caused and unintentional. Several of them originated in public parks and campgrounds, again consistent with idiot humans making campfires during a total fire ban.

There is no evidence, zero, zilch, nada, that there is any organized (or even disorganized) group behind all of these fires. Any such talk in the absence of such evidence is insane and ignorant.

But any conspiracy theory is so much more interesting than plain old fashioned stupidity ...

 

[tolovan]

A Gender-Reveal Party Started a Wildfire That Burned Nearly 10,000 Acres - EcoWatch

A couple hosting a gender-reveal party set off a smoke bomb to reveal the baby's gender when the device lit the nearby dry grass and sent partygoers scrambling. That mishap has now led to the El Dorado wildfire in Southern California's San Bernardino County. The fire started in El Dorado Ranch...

www.ecowatch.com

As of today the fire has burned more than 13K acres and is only 31% contained. All because a couple though it was a great idea to use a colored smoke bomb in a grass area to let the world know what gender their baby is.

 

[fooferdoggie]

the wind was crazy when the fires started gusts to 60 mph pretty much unheard of here in Oregon this time of year it was crazy and to made the fires go crazy.

 

[john peck]

A Gender-Reveal Party Started a Wildfire That Burned Nearly 10,000 Acres - EcoWatch

A couple hosting a gender-reveal party set off a smoke bomb to reveal the baby's gender when the device lit the nearby dry grass and sent partygoers scrambling. That mishap has now led to the El Dorado wildfire in Southern California's San Bernardino County. The fire started in El Dorado Ranch...

www.ecowatch.com

As of today the fire has burned more than 13K acres and is only 31% contained. All because a couple though it was a great idea to use a colored smoke bomb in a grass area to let the world know what gender their baby is.

Whose dumb idea was this in the first place? If itś not my baby, why would I give a damn? I know it´s hard in these times to
find reason to party , but....patriotism aside, fireworks of any kind destroy millions in property every year. I tired of tranqing
my dogs & having my windows shaken by an artillery barrage every year. I can love my country without having to burn it down.
One punk with fireworks decimated miles of the Historic Columbia River Trail. It will be decades before it recovers.

 

[Sierratim]

I think I figured out where to move to avoid the fires in the Western U.S.;

Central and Northern Nevada are looking pretty good right now!

 

[fooferdoggie]

I think I figured out where to move to avoid the fires in the Western U.S.;



Central and Northern Nevada are looking pretty good right now!

cause there is nothing to burn