Gionnirocket
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True... But then following the truth is what they're supposed to do
Instead of banning certain members...
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Following and doing are 2 different things. Fox, Cnn, Msnbc and so on are all the same. Ever wonder how they all have the exact programming at the same time?True... But then following the truth is what they're supposed to do
Think again on what you feed your brain... Its a battle for the mind
About 15 billionaires and six corporations own most of the U.S. media outlets
You see and hear what they want you to.
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That's nonsense. Making such a boundary based on some small groups' biased opinions removes most of the picture, as the difference between a passing grade and a failing grade might be 1 point out of 100.True... But then following the truth is what they're supposed to do
Making it binary in all cases removes the obvious closeness/similarity of the two test results, which could easily be due to some extraneous matter.
On top of that removal of all other distinctions, a "truth" determination by a bunch of not-so-great intellects and politically motivated actors lends even more to the specious nature of the call.
What was "untrue" last week is admitted as "true" a week later, now.
I sure hope so for everyone involved. Seen a good Video but I cant find it right now.. if I come across it again I will post it.. Explains why Russia invaded (partially).
I read it and just thought about it, and it is true. The sky has been quiet in the past few days. I live under where the Navy fighter pilots practice. There's usually jets roaring for a bit each day. It's been quiet.
Here is what happened a few years ago.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/whidbey-navy-admits-aircraft-drew-penis-in-sky-drawings-/649301637/
Here is what happened a few years ago.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/whidbey-navy-admits-aircraft-drew-penis-in-sky-drawings-/649301637/
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Sounds like a cock and bull story!
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So easily memory is wiped by the new moral panic.
"On May 4, 1970, members of the Ohio National Guard fired on unarmed student protesters at Kent State, killing four and seriously injuring nine others. The horrific massacre is regarded as a historic moment of public unrest during the Vietnam War."
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I tried to post a video of the gassing and the beating of non-violent protesters in the truckers Canada protest but I guess the horse-trampling of the elder Indigenous lady with the walker was a bit much for young eyes and it can only be watched by signing in to YouTube....besides, wan't that, like, weeks ago, now?
Plus it wasn't interfering with a war effort, so...
Plus it wasn't interfering with a war effort, so...
One thinking dad told his kids it was just an Arby's hat drawing.Sounds like a cock and bull story!
The artists got a spanking.
Anyone familiar with the Azov Battalion in Ukraine? Or read up on them? Seem to be part of the problem
Lara Logan has done a lot of different things in the world and a good Writer/ Reporter.
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Lara Logan has done a lot of different things in the world and a good Writer/ Reporter.
Lara Logan Dropping Massive Truth Bombs
Lara Logan appears on Real America's Voices to drop major truth bombs and factual history of Ukraine, Russia, the Azov Battalion, Nazi's CIA, Allen Dulles, corruption and much more! Best ten minutes o
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If things are not going well for Putin the first question on my mind is what are the chances of him firing a single nuclear warhead at say Kiev versus the chances of him backing down? The logical followup question is how would Nato/ USA respond to such a strike?
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In my mind, that's the tough question that will need an even tougher answer. If he launches, what are you gonna do, take out a bunch of innocent Russians (that are either misinformed or against this already) with a retaliatory strike? I think Putin had better be pretty careful here. If it were ever to become clear regarding how to take him out, that man is a goner. He's had plenty of time to consider this issue. I think it a safe bet he believes his butt is already covered pretty well. He might not even be in Russia....
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Just saw on some newsclip that Putain fired all of his staff - - cooks, housekeepers and the like, and installed all new. Apparently he thinks somebody might have it in for him. Don't know why....
But, just because I saw it on the internet doesn't make it true.
But, just because I saw it on the internet doesn't make it true.
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The Azov battalion is a source of considerable controversy and confusion even for folks who are probably far better informed than any of us. I would, in fact, be very interested to learn more about their history-- particularly how, precisely, they went from being a irregular militia to becoming a regular military unit. Here is a short, relatively balanced introduction to this issue from Jerusalem Post. It is particularly interesting that the Conyers-Yoho amendment was a bipartisan amendment, something that is nearly unthinkable in the US today-- though not as unthinkable as it would have been a couple of years ago.
The fact that Putin is using this as cover for his invasion is a transparent ploy that I doubt even his own soldiers believe. It is not surprising that the Ukraine military contains some neo-Nazi factions. So does every branch of the US military, and much of the US prison population, state and federal is controlled by AB. The LA County Sheriffs have multiple neo-Nazi gangs -- the Banditos, the Spartans, the Regulators, going all the way back to the Vikings in the early '70s. This is the largest sheriff's depatment in the US, and despite their denials, they have been sued successfully on several occasions. Some of the offenders do lose their jobs and go to prison. The legal remedies employed are, of course, very imperfect solutions to a very serious problem... but...
That does not give anyone the right to invade the US, and the Azov battalion does not give anyone the right to invade Ukraine. I realize these are similar but not equivalent situations-- an important distinction made upthread by Gordon, albeit in a different context.
It makes no sense to try to manage that kind of problem by sending tanks into the streets. Putin's invoking this as a justification for invasion is transparently pretextual. Or, to put it another way, even if that was the reason for launching his invasion, it would be completely insane, and should be grounds for his removal from office. You don't protect people from neo-Nazis by bombing cities to rubble.
The fact that Putin is using this as cover for his invasion is a transparent ploy that I doubt even his own soldiers believe. It is not surprising that the Ukraine military contains some neo-Nazi factions. So does every branch of the US military, and much of the US prison population, state and federal is controlled by AB. The LA County Sheriffs have multiple neo-Nazi gangs -- the Banditos, the Spartans, the Regulators, going all the way back to the Vikings in the early '70s. This is the largest sheriff's depatment in the US, and despite their denials, they have been sued successfully on several occasions. Some of the offenders do lose their jobs and go to prison. The legal remedies employed are, of course, very imperfect solutions to a very serious problem... but...
That does not give anyone the right to invade the US, and the Azov battalion does not give anyone the right to invade Ukraine. I realize these are similar but not equivalent situations-- an important distinction made upthread by Gordon, albeit in a different context.
It makes no sense to try to manage that kind of problem by sending tanks into the streets. Putin's invoking this as a justification for invasion is transparently pretextual. Or, to put it another way, even if that was the reason for launching his invasion, it would be completely insane, and should be grounds for his removal from office. You don't protect people from neo-Nazis by bombing cities to rubble.
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Oh no, like Germany, the USA, France and most Anglo cultures.
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i read and like Haaretz, for me a more progressive and clearer view. But I wouldnāt qwibble with your quoted article.
quote, āIn the past, Israel has armed anti-Semitic regimes, such as the generalsā regime in Argentina, which murdered thousands of Jews in camps while its soldiers stood in watchtowers guarding the abducted prisoners with their Uzi submachine guns.ā
what a mess weāve made. Gun$ and more gun$.
According to a freedom of information petition to Israel's defense ministry from last January (Hebrew: read in full here), Israel also armed Bolivia's military regimes, knowing that Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie was part of the regime. Legal documents used to convict the head of the junta also showed that Barbie's death squads used Israeli Uzis.
quote, āIn the past, Israel has armed anti-Semitic regimes, such as the generalsā regime in Argentina, which murdered thousands of Jews in camps while its soldiers stood in watchtowers guarding the abducted prisoners with their Uzi submachine guns.ā
what a mess weāve made. Gun$ and more gun$.
According to a freedom of information petition to Israel's defense ministry from last January (Hebrew: read in full here), Israel also armed Bolivia's military regimes, knowing that Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie was part of the regime. Legal documents used to convict the head of the junta also showed that Barbie's death squads used Israeli Uzis.
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Good moment to remind us of this, Rome. I wonder if it's possible to quit while we're ahead. And IMHO, while the "H" comparison shouldn't be off limits, once someone has said it offends them, maybe best not to repeat it. I stand with Ukraine, I'm pissed, too, but at the end of the day, who I think should be shot doesn't matter that much-- it won't put a roof over a refugee's head, or a slice of bread on their plate.
This is an interesting thread-- even the people I may not agree with, disagree with slightly, or seriously, had something thoughtful to say. I'm not gonna collude with anything I don't believe in, but I feel like even what I considered wrong turns on this metaphorical trail led to some unexpected terrain.
I don't know if anyone else feels like this particular argument was less vitriolic than usual, but if they do... maybe we can squeeze the brakes, pull over to the side of the trail, look at the sunset and smell the flowers. I had a great ride today, was thinking about how lucky I am-- that I didn't get taken out by own health problems long ago, that the Hollywood Hills aren't being shelled...
And that this debate, spirited thought it was, didn't quite spiral out of hand. Maybe a day will come when we can revisit our ignore lists, eh?
Radical suggestion-- I'm not the OP, but I'm going to bring a motion to the floor that we lock this thread voluntarily and by mutual agreement. This is not meant to silence anyone, if anyone has one last thing to say, I don't want to shut anyone down, but I just want to see if we can cooperate, even in this small way-- a symbolic gesture not for war or surrender, but for peace. (And as a statement of support for Angela, perhaps!)
The motion is to lock thread. Will anyone second the motion?
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What would be refreshing is just ignoring the potato heads and carrying on like the thoughtful adults the majority are. I learned something following up on the two Israeli news sources. One I read daily, but missed the reference you posted. Iām all in for the peaceful exchange. Minus vitriol and asshatery. Thanks for keeping it sane. Itās not illegal to illuminate a skunk. Itās a nuisance critter, but itās cruel to keep them caged. In this case the cage is our responses.
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