Whatever suits you...I’ve played with the install angles enough I guess.
SQ labs Handles arrived today. I was looking for more premium softer grips, these are hard as rock. Good luck with any returns as they want 25 bucks on any return unless is there mistake. It’s funny how opinions get in the way.I recently slapped a set of small Ergon GP2s on my vintage Trek that replaced some old school aluminum bar ends. Yes, I have tiny girlish hands. Pleased with the smallish ends and the handles have a pleasant ergonomic feel to them. I actually use bar ends as leverage when cranking up out of the saddle.
That being said, the SQLab handles themselves look pretty sweet but will leave it at that.
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Try these Entrac Comfort Grips as an alternative to Ergon & SQL Labs... free shipping and returns.SQ labs Handles arrived today. I was looking for more premium softer grips, these are hard as rock.
Good luck with any returns as they want 25 bucks on any return unless is there mistake. It’s funny how opinions get in the way.
Ergon.
Thank you for your great tutorial and explanation on the Ergon grips it is quite useful. I have a pair on my bike And I really didn’t know the proper technique with three fingers as you explainedIn the self-styled way, I acclaim the Ergon GP3 the best bike grips ever made! Some tips will follow:
Proper Setup
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First of all, the GP3 come in two sizes. Buy the Large variety only in case you have really large hands. The Ergons might be too wide to fit your gadget-crammed handlebars, and it is also better not to change the brake lever position. If you still see the yellow interior of the grip after you have slid it fully onto the handlebar, you need to shorten the grip. Use a very sharp knife to shorten the grip -- and be cautious to not cut your fingers! (You have been warned) No yellow part should be visible with the properly slid grip. The wrist supports should point slightly upwards. Add the bar-ends. The angle is your choice, with 30-45 degrees being the most reasonable. Tighten the screw at 5 Nm. Again: No yellow part should be visible inside!
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The "normal" or "safety" hand position. Use it while riding with traffic or on crowded bike or multiple-use paths.
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Modern e-MTBs sport the "1-finger" brake levers; modern commuter e-bikes have the "2-finger" brake levers. Never place more fingers than necessary on the lever. While riding in a crowded area, rest your finger(s) on brake levers in a relaxed way; you don't want to make your fingers tired but you might want to brake rather fast.
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The "steering-wheel" or "trail" hand position. That's what makes the Ergons so great. You delicately rest your three fingers on the bar-end, while your thumb and little finger ensure a proper hold. You steer your e-bike as you were operating your car's steering wheel. That hand position is proper for very long rides and ensures the best control over the bike even in very rough terrain. The benefits:
I just want to tell you that I ride over 90% my long trips in the "trail" hand position. Specifically, uphill ride is extremely easy with that hand position. Note: You can move your hands to the "safety" position instantly, as the bar-ends are small.
- The hand doesn't get tired or numb (people with carpal tunnel syndrome will be delighted)
- You exercise the perfect control over your bike, especially with wide handlebars
- In rough terrain, you just tighten your grip a little bit for even better steering control
- During "washboard" sections of gravel roads, ease the hand-grip. The bar-end will travel vertically among your fingers, providing rapid-vibration protection to your hands -- especially, owners of rigid-fork e-bikes will be happy!
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The "Easy Rider" hand position. Use on a very long ride in safe environment when you are really tired. Rest your wrist and thumb on the wrist-support. The part of the palm near to the little finger shall rest where the bar-end-plug is normally located.
Falling with Your Bike
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There are two survival techniques, shall your bike fall:
Ride safely!
- Jump off the bike as graciously as Bambi would do it and let the bike fall between your legs (It requires a long practice);
- Provided you're wearing the helmet, move your hands instantly to the "safety position" and just fall together with your e-bike. Your hands shall be on the grips and your feet shall stay planted on the pedals! Your head will probably hit the ground but it's protected. You might get some bruises. But your limbs won't get broken and the hands won't be damaged, as the latter are protected by the GP3 bar-end. Trust me: I know the best how to fall with the bike. The stains of sun-molten asphalt on my Trance E+ right-hand GP3 bar-end are the proof. The grip and my helmet took the most of the impact. And I have fallen with my bikes many times before I mastered the (1) technique
Ok so I decided I’m going to purchase the ergon gp3 bar ends. Just to confirm Stefan , these are compatible with my trek allant 8s?In the self-styled way, I acclaim the Ergon GP3 the best bike grips ever made! Some tips will follow:
Proper Setup
View attachment 61989
First of all, the GP3 come in two sizes. Buy the Large variety only in case you have really large hands. The Ergons might be too wide to fit your gadget-crammed handlebars, and it is also better not to change the brake lever position. If you still see the yellow interior of the grip after you have slid it fully onto the handlebar, you need to shorten the grip. Use a very sharp knife to shorten the grip -- and be cautious to not cut your fingers! (You have been warned) No yellow part should be visible with the properly slid grip. The wrist supports should point slightly upwards. Add the bar-ends. The angle is your choice, with 30-45 degrees being the most reasonable. Tighten the screw at 5 Nm. Again: No yellow part should be visible inside!
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The "normal" or "safety" hand position. Use it while riding with traffic or on crowded bike or multiple-use paths.
View attachment 61991
Modern e-MTBs sport the "1-finger" brake levers; modern commuter e-bikes have the "2-finger" brake levers. Never place more fingers than necessary on the lever. While riding in a crowded area, rest your finger(s) on brake levers in a relaxed way; you don't want to make your fingers tired but you might want to brake rather fast.
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The "steering-wheel" or "trail" hand position. That's what makes the Ergons so great. You delicately rest your three fingers on the bar-end, while your thumb and little finger ensure a proper hold. You steer your e-bike as you were operating your car's steering wheel. That hand position is proper for very long rides and ensures the best control over the bike even in very rough terrain. The benefits:
I just want to tell you that I ride over 90% my long trips in the "trail" hand position. Specifically, uphill ride is extremely easy with that hand position. Note: You can move your hands to the "safety" position instantly, as the bar-ends are small.
- The hand doesn't get tired or numb (people with carpal tunnel syndrome will be delighted)
- You exercise the perfect control over your bike, especially with wide handlebars
- In rough terrain, you just tighten your grip a little bit for even better steering control
- During "washboard" sections of gravel roads, ease the hand-grip. The bar-end will travel vertically among your fingers, providing rapid-vibration protection to your hands -- especially, owners of rigid-fork e-bikes will be happy!
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The "Easy Rider" hand position. Use on a very long ride in safe environment when you are really tired. Rest your wrist and thumb on the wrist-support. The part of the palm near to the little finger shall rest where the bar-end-plug is normally located.
Falling with Your Bike
View attachment 61994
There are two survival techniques, shall your bike fall:
Ride safely!
- Jump off the bike as graciously as Bambi would do it and let the bike fall between your legs (It requires a long practice);
- Provided you're wearing the helmet, move your hands instantly to the "safety position" and just fall together with your e-bike. Your hands shall be on the grips and your feet shall stay planted on the pedals! Your head will probably hit the ground but it's protected. You might get some bruises. But your limbs won't get broken and the hands won't be damaged, as the latter are protected by the GP3 bar-end. Trust me: I know the best how to fall with the bike. The stains of sun-molten asphalt on my Trance E+ right-hand GP3 bar-end are the proof. The grip and my helmet took the most of the impact. And I have fallen with my bikes many times before I mastered the (1) technique
All modern flat handlebars have the tube diameter of 22.2 mm at the grip section (+/- machining tolerances). For this reason, Ergon doesn't even need to give the diameter info. Yes, these grips will fit and Mulezen has confirmed it for the Allant+.Ok so I decided I’m going to purchase the ergon gp3 bar ends. Just to confirm Stefan , these are compatible with my trek allant 8s?
Should I get the small ? Not sure how to measure my hand. My frame is size medium and I’m basically courts height and weight.All modern flat handlebars have the tube diameter of 22.2 mm at the grip section (+/- machining tolerances). For this reason, Ergon doesn't even need to give the diameter info. Yes, these grips will fit and Mulezen has confirmed it for the Allant+.
I use that mirror placement for most of my rides. If extended periods will be on roads with traffic, I twist and swivel it into the more traditional up and to the left (for my region with driving on the right).I might try that mirror placement.
I do like the extra hand (horns) placement for descents and for powering through flats with power off. It took me awhile to get the confidence to use them
Should I get the small ? Not sure how to measure my hand. My frame is size medium and I’m basically courts height and weight.
A clone...How is copying someone else's patent and design called in English?