Dual Suspension Mid Drives with Throttle
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Taylor57
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I had Sonders Rockstar on the list as well. But those were the only 2. I'm surprised more importers haven't jumped on the dual suspension/throttle train. Many of us are not true bike enthusiasts/fanatics but enjoy comfort and the handiness of having a throttle...
reed scott
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Frey. Any Frey. I think I got the right bike with the AM 1000 but that Frey Ex is just ... HOT. I watched Simon's video from when he got is Ex and it really made me think. But I just do not want the weight of two batteries and I don't care for the huge down tube look. But sheesh! That is one damn nice bike. Just really heavy. Don't watch is unboxing video of the blue one or get ready to spend some serious cash.
AHicks
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Maybe a false concern due to changes I'm not aware of, but I have a lot of off road quad, dirt bike, and snowmobile suspension tuning experience in my past. At my weight (315) I'm not going to even try to dial something like this in for myself. But at the same time, I have to wonder how well today's FS bikes handle riders with widely varying weights and needs? Even without considering rider weight, a street rider's needs are going to be WAY different than those somebody playing mostly off road may need for instance. Because they have a rear suspension, do people automatically assume that rear shock valving and spring rate is going to work well for them? Or is there some expectation that there will be some tuning involved?
Thinking out loud.... -Al
Thinking out loud.... -Al
ElevenAD
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i think the Frey CC was made for the Street rider vs their other FS bikes like the EX,AM or m600 which are more trail and mountain
JRA
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There are several FS bikes with the Bafang M600 that are throttle able, the Frey mentioned for example and the Luna X-1. Bonus is that both those bikes are on the less expensive side.
There are kit motor options that can be applied to almost any bike so as it seems as you are adding racks/fenders you might go that route using whatever FS bike capable of using those options but keep in mind battery placement is able to be in the main triangle.
There are kit motor options that can be applied to almost any bike so as it seems as you are adding racks/fenders you might go that route using whatever FS bike capable of using those options but keep in mind battery placement is able to be in the main triangle.
Hectors Ghost
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Ok, so full-suspension... but for what kind of riding? A lot changes of you want a full-suspension eTouring bike or a bike you can drop off 6' lips and survive. There is a large spectrum of suspended bike frames that you can choose... but for what kind of riding?
AHicks
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For riding mostly on bike paths, streets and trails. No jumps, downhills, whoop de doos, etc. My motocross days are behind me
So you know what I'm talking about. The poorly set up rear shock that wants to toss your butt over the handlebars!
Hectors Ghost
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Next question is are you going to want to carry gear along with you in panniers?For riding mostly on bike paths, streets and trails. No jumps, downhills, whoop de doos, etc. My motocross days are behind me
Reasonable quality rear air shocks have adjustment for compression, rebound, air pressure and even air volume ( via tokens) . Better quality have high and low speed dampening adjustment. Then you have aftermarket tuners, but just like in the motorbike world they often focus on elite athletes rather than comfort focussed tourers.
But when you add in the quirks from rapidly evolving geometry and multiple rear linkage designs, I'd hate to be a paramedic working near a modern mtb track.....
Taylor57
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I like the Rockbros bag that does have panniers that can extend out but for the most part I carry a few essentials but no need for major gear...
Hectors Ghost
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My suggestion is to find a great daily commuter and hang a BBS02 mid-drive on it. If you want to go to the next level (and I suggest it) have it turn a Rohloff Speedhub.
Deacon Blues
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R&M, Moustache, and Bulls all make a full suspension mid drive ebike with fenders and a rack. They're not cheap, though.
Hectors Ghost
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Definitely not better than a BBS02 let alone a BBSHD mid-drive turning the chain. Motor $600, battery (almost triple the capacity of most production ebikes) $600, Grin Satiator $300, Control input $100, bike... whatever your perfect ride is. Production ebikes still aren't there.
Deacon Blues
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DIY build to a factory production bike is an apples to oranges comparison. I got the impression the OP was referring to an ebike, rather than a regular bike converted to an ebike.
Taylor57
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That is correct. Off the rack/internet ready to ride...
Hectors Ghost
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Sure... cause two ebikes with:
Handlebars
Stems
Headsets
Brake levers
Shift levers
Head-tubes
Top-tubes
Down-Tubes
Seat-tubes
Forks
Tires
Rims
Spokes
Hubs
Nipples
Brakes
Rotors
Calipers
Cranks
Gears
Chains
Pedals
Drive-trains
Chain Stays
and Saddles... are totally different.
The United States federal definition of ebike: " Under federal law, an electric bicycle (ebike) is referred to as a “low-speed electric bicycle” (LSEB) , which is defined as “a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 mph.” Significantly, this definition provides a maximum assisted speed that an electric bicycle can travel when being powered only by the motor, but does not provide a maximum assisted speed for when an electric bicycle is being powered by a combination of human and motor power. "
Sure... an ebike, isn't an ebike, even if it's an ebike? That's your impression? I thank God that isn't how the federal government looked at them back in 2001 when they were defining them.
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