Dual motor; full suspension; semi-recumbent MeetOneTrike with 180nm torque @ 25 mph

[DashRiprock]

First video off-road/climbing a hill:

 

[AOE4]

have you noticed that not one of the top ten bike manufacturers do not offer etrikes? none that I know of. If I were to design an E-trike it would feature a Bosch or Yamaha mid drive motor, NO energy sucking slow fat tires, 18X2.3 high quality tires, Shimano drive-train and hydraulic brakes. Total price $8000.00? everything out there is poor quality with crappy hub drive motors. even if you have internal hub gearing there do not have much torque for climbing even mild hills. Please cancel the order and reconsider some other type of bike. if anything RAD Power trikes would be a better choice?https://www.radpowerbikes.com/collections/electric-city-commuter-bikes

 

[AOE4]

OK, I'll try.



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The Range says "Up to 130 miles (209 km)"

That is a bunch of hooey, especially if you unlock it to 23.6 mph.

You'll need a 20mph tailwind and to be going downhill the entire trip to get that kind of mileage.

You'll only regret your purchase if you don't buy another pair of batteries for it.




That's a lot of money for a 15ah battery, but it is UL-listed.

You can probably find cheaper batteries, even UL-listed ones for less if the battery doesn't have proprietary software to enable it. (A digital handshake between the controller and battery)



My two wheeled ebike weighs about 90 pounds with two batteries and I get just over 60 miles using up both batteries and Not pedaling at all.

I use up a 48V 25ah, and a 48V 19ah battery to do it with my speed limited to 32 kph.

I can go over 80 km on the 25ah battery alone if I ride at 20 kph.

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[AOE4]

I agree.

I don't pedal so I don't need a PAS sensor or Torque sensor at all.
I don't have any hills to deal with, so I don't need a mid-drive.
That leaves my driveline virtually unused and in no need of any servicing.

A high power mid-drive destroys chains and sprockets in no time that need to be replaced regularly.

A second battery was necessary for me so I could let go of my range anxiety and hammer the throttle.

I broke the rack off my ebike with a second battery attached to it, and it had a speed wobble being mounted on the rear rack, so I managed to attach it to my top tube with special moldable plastic.

I'm 100% function over form and don't care what it looks like.
The uglier and stupider it looks makes it identifiable and less likely to get stolen.

your drive-train is destroyed because you do not pedal and most likely do not start out in a low gear, what do you expect?I am physically fit and pedal assist my E-mtb mid-drive and shift accordingly. result is a long lasting drive-train that is properly serviced. So trashing ALL mid-drive motors is somewhat ignorant, WTF? buy a moped if you want to "hammer the throttle". I can ride 70 miles 15-20 mph easy on the flats in active mode on my Giant Dirt-E+0 pro which is a high power/torque Bosch motor.

 

[AOE4]

so many people I know regret buying low quality chinese bike/trikes. sorry if I am blunt, the Rad trike would be much less of a risk as far as customer support. Are you set on a trike?

 

[PCeBiker]

your drive-train is destroyed because you do not pedal and most likely do not start out in a low gear, what do you expect?

I've got a hub drive.
My my drive-train has less than 50 km on it.
My e-bike has over 3,800 km on it.

My drive-train looks pretty good.
The motor does too, and it did all the work,..

 

[AOE4]

my point is quality mid drive motors like my Yamaha/Giant motor do not destroy drive-trains if you are shifting properly and do not ignore maintenance. you are the rare person that does not abuse your hub drive Ebike. I assumed you were like most riders I know that abuse their hub drive Ebike typically starting from a dead stop in a high gear (8,9th etc) and replace chains, cassettes and chainrings in a few hundred miles. My apologies for assuming that you botched up your bike. "my drive-train has less than 50 km on it" ? not sure what you mean by that. my E-mtb climbs like a goat, tons of torque that if applied judiciously can be awesome.

 

[DashRiprock]

have you noticed that not one of the top ten bike manufacturers do not offer etrikes?

none that I know of

What's your point? That they should..shouldn't.. or ask you first?

. If I were to design an E-trike it would feature a Bosch or Yamaha mid drive motor, NO energy sucking slow fat tires,

Ok my friend..I'm going to throw a little splash of water in your face here and inform you (wait for it)...that you truly are in a fat tire forum thread. You evidently don't like trikes and you have an even worse attitude towards fat tires in general (the very category that all of us here gravitated towards in the first place).
Can somebody please get this guy outta here and send him over to another sandbox?

Please cancel the order and reconsider some other type of bike. if anything RAD Power trikes would be a better choice?https://www.radpowerbikes.com/collections/electric-city-commuter-bikes

Alrightee then.
We'll see if your post above and likely more ridiculous off-topic banter to follow get booted outta here by the moderators.
Funny isn't it that a whole lotta off-topic crap is somehow being allowed in this thread for some unknown reason. Here's a reminder: Groundbreaking trike. Do you like it or not and do you have a *specific* trike which is *feature for feature* better which you can name/speak intelligently to?
Could it be that this MeetOne Tour is truly taking the market by storm right now and that some brands have a whole lot to lose if this brand soon becomes wildly successful(???)....

 

[DashRiprock]

(Back to the topic of this groundbreaking trike):
One of the biggest things intriguing me on this MeetOne Tour trike is the bolted frame midship.
I can't even imagine how easy it will be to lengthen that frame to literally the exact custom fit needed for any rider or even multiple.
Great design for future modifications on several levels.

 

[AOE4]

(Back to the topic of this groundbreaking trike):
One of the biggest things intriguing me on this MeetOne Tour trike is the bolted frame midship.
I can't even imagine how easy it will be to lengthen that frame to literally the exact custom fit needed for any rider or even multiple.
Great design for future modifications on several levels.

It's junk and only a moron would buy one

 

[AOE4]

What's your point? That they should..shouldn't.. or ask you first?

Ok my friend..I'm going to throw a little splash of water in your face here and inform you (wait for it)...that you truly are in a fat tire forum thread. You evidently don't like trikes and you have an even worse attitude towards fat tires in general (the very category that all of us here gravitated towards in the first place).
Can somebody please get this guy outta here and send him over to another sandbox?


Alrightee then.
We'll see if your post above and likely more ridiculous off-topic banter to follow get booted outta here by the moderators.
Funny isn't it that a whole lotta off-topic crap is somehow being allowed in this thread for some unknown reason. Here's a reminder: Groundbreaking trike. Do you like it or not and do you have a *specific* trike which is *feature for feature* better which you can name/speak intelligently to?
Could it be that this MeetOne Tour is truly taking the market by storm right now and that some brands have a whole lot to lose if this brand soon becomes wildly successful(???)....

Fat tires are for mentally retarded people like you. The origins of fat tires originated in A laska for riding on snow and ice, they are good for nothing else. Massive unnecessary weight drains batteries. Slow to accelerate and stop with all that mass.....worthless compared to a 2.5 tire with quality suspension. Guys like you are clueless in regards to the crappy knock off bikes you buy from some sketchy company that rips people off . Gosh , fat tires are SO awesome, all the pro riders use them. I hope I get banned ,to painful to deal with morons like you ,kiss my ass , you know nothing about high performance bikes, I do.....,I race bikes and motorcycles and am very good at it......so there, take that.....pussie

 

[DashRiprock]

It's junk and only a moron would buy one

Thank you from all of us.
Knowing where the moderators stand in regards to your behavior in this thread is second only to ownership's support of same.
Some sites promote/condone it (see my similar Soletri thread a few years ago) and others do not.
We all have only one to answer to in the end and I pray that you come to that conclusion soon.
Have a very Merry Christmas.

 

[DashRiprock]

Fat tires are for mentally retarded people like you.

Again, you are in the 'fat tires' thread.
If coming in here to simply call people names is (again) something that this site's ownership encourages(?)...thank you for posting the above for quick reference in the future.
When nobody really cares if or how anyone attacks a fellow forum member(?)...I'm ok with that as there are still obviously people here such as myself who would like to learn more about this groundbreaking trike.
The 'ignore' button is pretty popular nowadays.

 

[DashRiprock]

I really like the time that these guys from Grin take to explain their product and the base physics of their motors.
I'm guessing that nobody with any knowledge whatsoever concerning a two-motor system is coming up here to compare one motor to two (the Tour) due to:
1) There is nothing out there currently even remotely resembling the Tour(?)
and
2) They would have a hard time arguing why this fat tire trike wouldn't benefit from having two motors/two batteries in the first place. (not to mention a 2nd motor that sits in reserve until called upon)
I'm kind of hoping that I can wear out the OEM motor just to see what a Grin would do for this trike...yet I'll probably yank them both out of simple curiosity long before that happens...
(At the 1 hour 17 min. and 7 sec. mark):

Dual Motor Drives - Learn

Dual Motor and Multi-Motor drive systems allow you to get more power and torque than is available with a single motor. But they are also more complex to setup and wire.

ebikes.ca

Can an Ebike Have Two Motors? Benefits and Drawbacks of Dual-Motor Electric Bikes

Discover the advantages and disadvantages of dual-motor ebikes. Learn how two motors improve power, stability, and off-road performance in electric bicycles.

movcan-bike.com

 

[DashRiprock]

The other (major for me) feature that I believe is currently keeping the naysayers away from this thread is definitely the front and rear suspension that the Tour boasts.
So many manufacturers have simply depended on the now standard 4" tires to satisfy customers in this department.
Believe me, front and rear suspension made a huge difference in my enjoyment of my Soletri whether they were of the the thousands of dollars (+) Fox (etc.) variety or not.
I've noticed that the fan boys of 'everything but' get real quiet when you point to groundbreaking trikes with a suspended ride like no other, comfortable seating, plenty of power/torque and any (no-comparison) beefy frame with dual rider/utilitarian possibilities.

Add in a much more stable platform with rarely enjoyed predictable steering(?)....'crickets'.

 

[DashRiprock]

I'm kind of hoping that I can wear out the OEM motor just to see what a Grin would do for this trike...yet I'll probably yank them both out of simple curiosity long before that happens...
(At the 1 hour 42 minute mark):

Dual Motor Drives - Learn

Dual Motor and Multi-Motor drive systems allow you to get more power and torque than is available with a single motor. But they are also more complex to setup and wire.

ebikes.ca

It is interesting to me that Grin seems to promote the K.I.S.S. principle as well (one single powerful motor/control) when referring to the popular CAT trikes which I seem to remember as being much lighter recumbent tadpoles.
While I can appreciate the dual motor Tour as designed for the reasons offered above, I could also see the advantages of modding in a single torquey high wattage Grin(?) motor boasting a high capacity battery/spare if the applications weren't just totally different.
It would be nice to have Grin weigh in on this when the Tour drops next year given the weight challenges inherent and what if any upgrades would be required to the drivetrain to make a single large motor even be practical.

 

[DashRiprock]

MeetOne has done something unprecedented with the Tour that I wanted to illustrate below.
Look at how low that the seat can be positioned while still allowing easy access via the step through design. Just as striking is the amount of area that the seat can be positioned around the seat post bottom shoulder and the recumbent angles possible from there.
Now take these two features and imagine a frame that can be stretched longer by a teenager in his first shop class for pure comfort...at any desired seating/reclining angle.

It's the 'what if' and a beefed up enough frame to back it up which make this trike special ala the old cars that my generation used to tinker around with/make better.

 

[DashRiprock]

New version of the same Tour (less one motor/battery):

 

[m@Robertson]

A high power mid-drive destroys chains and sprockets in no time that need to be replaced regularly.

You are completely wrong about that. Building a mid drive ebike ups the ante on the required competence of the builder. When someone not up to the task decides to build one anyway, the incompetent builder promptly blames the equipment instead of looking in the mirror and taking responsibility for their mistakes (or even understanding that they made any).

How To Build a Mid Drive Ebike That Doesn’t Break

Mid drives up the ante on the required competence of the builder. Read this so your bike lasts without things breaking or wearing out early.

talesontwowheels.com

I have mid drives I built as far back as 2017. 1750w typically (a standard BBSHD with a 52v battery). No issues. Also a mid drive is MUCH much more energy efficient. If you had hills to ride up, you would see (and hear) the motor groaning as its rotation slowed down and its electrical energy was given over to heat as opposed to creating forward motion. That is a motor doing very little in the way of moving the bike, but still eating maximum amps from the battery pack. A mid by comparison gets downshifted, and spins merrily away on lower power levels, using its power to move the bike not heat the motor casing. This is the reason why all quality e-mtb's are mid drives. Speaking of downshifting, and rider competence...

How To Ride a Mid Drive Ebike Without Breaking It

If you can ride a bicycle you already know how to ride a hub drive ebike. Not so a mid drive. Particularly a powerful one that can tear your chain apart. Fear not. The rules are simple.

talesontwowheels.com

Combine a competent build with a couple of extremely simple rules for riding the thing and you have reliable transportation whose chains and drivetrains will last literally thousands of miles.

Fat tires are for mentally retarded people like you.

You are just as bad as the person who started this thread (there's a reason he's mostly just talking to himself on this forum... you are new and missed the previous gushing over a different 'groundbreaking' trike).

The origins of fat tires originated in A laska for riding on snow and ice, they are good for nothing else.

Not a whole lot of experience talking here. Mostly parroting back what you have read other people say on the internet, I'd wager. First of all, sure the early fat bikes came out of Anchorage, but they simultaneously were developed by a different group in the deserts of the Southwest, where they perform extremely well in sand. Additionally, if you ride overland (as in there is no trail, so not even singletrack) your vaunted 2.5" tires will go next to nowhere, while my fat tires will roll right over stuff.

Massive unnecessary weight drains batteries.

Not meaningfully. Especially if you match your air pressure to your terrain.

Slow to accelerate and stop with all that mass.....worthless compared to a 2.5 tire with quality suspension.

This is nonsense. First of all, a fat bike as a bicycle when in its element is about overcoming terrain in forest, sand and snow. Speed is a non issue and you are missing the point of the platform if you think speed is a driving factor in using them... but on the other hand, when was the last time you saw a motorcycle with 700x20C tires? There's a reason for fat tires on pavement and thats compliance and stability at speed. I put many thousands of miles (about 12000 across three bikes) on pedaled 28-32 mph bikes with fat tires. Hit potholes at 28 mph on a ride you are making for transportation (i.e. serious use not recreation) day in and day out and you will have a better understanding of the importance of fat tire wheels' utility and reliability.

Guys like you are clueless in regards to the crappy knock off bikes you buy from some sketchy company that rips people off . Gosh , fat tires are SO awesome, all the pro riders use them. I hope I get banned ,to painful to deal with morons like you ,kiss my ass , you know nothing about high performance bikes, I do.....,I race bikes and motorcycles and am very good at it......so there, take that.....pussie

A tough guy running his mouth on the internet... Wow thats new.

 

[PCeBiker]

You are completely wrong about that. Building a mid drive ebike ups the ante on the required competence of the builder.
,.. Also a mid drive is MUCH much more energy efficient.
,.. A mid by comparison gets downshifted, and spins merrily away on lower power levels, using its power to move the bike not heat the motor casing.

When compared to a hub drive, a mid drive puts all the motor power through the chain and sprockets.

I don't pedal, so I have no power going through my drive line, so it will last forever unless it rusts out.

The MeetOne trike is using a hub motor as a mid drive motor mounted to the frame, but it only has one gear, so the efficiency can't be corrected by changing gears.