mschwett
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it’s very amusing how those types have NO problems using shared resources like roads, sewers, parks, water, national defense etc, all of which were built and generally paid for by other people.
Does the ADA supersede local restrictions on Ebikes?
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it’s very amusing how those types have NO problems using shared resources like roads, sewers, parks, water, national defense etc, all of which were built and generally paid for by other people.
PedalUma
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If a disabled veteran with one foot rides with family and friends on something like a river path at 10 mph anyone giving him a ticket would be laughed out of court. You served your country with valor and instead of thanks, we will not let you ride with your family! It is so unreasonable. The agency that wrote the ticket would be sued. And it sure would get press coverage. It is not about a 'mobility device' its about being a receptive, inclusive nation. I once made an eBike especially for a woman with no thumbs. Now she can go on rides with her grand daughter.
David42000
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And you are right yet again.
David42000
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Eminently reasonable in your suggested contexts. But what do you think about a guy with COPD who can't afford a car, has few options, and 3 class can't cut it going up a steep hill that cannot be avodied, maybe with 100 pounds of groceries or tools and materials to go do work? Or me, who is disabled and also has few options to get exercise? I have a bad hip that cannot be relied upon for walking, running is out of the question, and my doctor recommends an e-bike. I could afford a motor vehicle, and forego my doctor's recommended exercise, but I am green oriented energy wise and for me it's one or the other, not both, with an EV far too expensive. Am I reasonable for exploring the possibilities that meet my needs, largely centered around ordinary law-abiding conduct on ordinary, low traffic, small town surface streets? I can't afford the high cost of proprietary systems that shop dealers like you support because you're feeding the kids. I need to fix my stuff on the cheap, and I know the risk of a proprietary system suddenly becoming unsupported becasue the company failed. I can't blame you, from your POV I'd want to encourage that idea in the free market, too. But I'm not unreasonable simply for not coming at things through a shopman's eyes, am I?
I'm no DEI guy who argues from current ideas of inclusivity. But the idea that we should narrowly view disability as only a few things and then fail to consider the day to day needs of those other sorts of disabled we didn't think of isn't really something we should have to need to raise the "inclusivity" standard over, is it? Because you're right: the one footed guy pedaling along at 10 m.p.h. would get laughed out of court. And no court would allow other persons with other disabilities under the ADA to be treated unlawfully, either, whether or not they could get someone to laugh about it. But it's not about chuckles on an e-bike forum to say there's a lot of ideas that wouldn't fly in court because they prohibit the disabled from even accessing the basic needs of life. I've said this before, and I AM NOT specifically saying it about you, but I am suspicious some people who pretend not to understand this simply want to keep the disabled out of sight so they won't have to see them drooling. And there's a lot of one footed guys in foot races these days to the point they're not really functionally disabled as long as they have their prosthetic, many of which are seriously high tech these days. There isn't any prosthetic for COPD.
Is the one-footed guy on the bike a real-life experience for you? I suppose if I were a shopguy and he walked in I'd make it work somehow. I like amusing stories like that.
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They're delusional to whom reason plays no role and is disregarded out of hand.
David42000
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Strange; that's exactly how I see you, waving cartoon law and thinking emojis are an argument. Is this really the OP? Now it's about the shame of those idiot sovereign citizens? What conspiracy theory is next up for debate, so long as it keeps you from the cognitive dissonance of confronting the fact that you share the roads lawfully with disabled people on OPDMDs? Or just doing your best to be unfriendly to people whose arguments you cannot beat? You utterly failed to explain what an e-moto is under Washington law and you've never even acknowledged this is not an "e-bike v. e-moto" thread, even if you had. It is a thread about the Americans With Disabilities Act.
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