Do you wear a mask when you ride?

Yeah, & there have been studies that prove tobacco is good for you too. That´s great if it´s true;
it means C-19 is doing a better job of curbing over population than previously thought. Another
study has found that 95% of deaths are age 50 or older, so if you under 50, the figure I gave means
your chances of dying are about 1 in 10,000. The CDC has conceded that most deaths have involved
other conditions affecting immune response such as diabetes, cancer, alcoholism, ad infinitum.
 
The actual numbers no longer matter ... remember that deaths have already exceeded all the projections, and there are many more to come.
Also exceeded the atomic bomb deaths from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was considered a pretty big deal back then.
 
The actual numbers no longer matter ... remember that deaths have already exceeded all the projections, and there are many more to come.
Also exceeded the atomic bomb deaths from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was considered a pretty big deal back then.
I sometimes think of myself as a compassionate person which is why deaths haven´t even begun to
exceed my projections. I figure at least 1/3 of the human population will probably have to die off if
there´s to be any chance of saving the planet. Yeah, that´s pretty dark; I really hope I´m wrong,
but I don´t think so.
 
/ OFFTOPIC @john peck the US population is dropping and will continue to drop b/c of birth control more than b/c of Covid. The trend of small families or no children at all is well established in Europe and developed countries in general. And even the black plague was estimated at 25 percent IIRC. We are just way overpopulated. /END OFFTOPIC
 
The actual numbers no longer matter ... remember that deaths have already exceeded all the projections, and there are many more to come.
Also exceeded the atomic bomb deaths from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which was considered a pretty big deal back then.
And exceeded World War II deaths in the US in raw numbers. If you consider excess deaths (the 900,000+ estimate) then it's clear that even per capita the US just took a bigger hit than we did in World War II even per capita, and that was in 15 or 16 months, not over the course of years.

Also, it's called the VAERS database, not VARES! Science is often messier than we'd like to admit, and sure, typically, VAERS will understate deaths, because it's a passive system and relies on spontaneous reporting. This isn't news, it's something anyone with a postgraduate or even graduate degree in health care or hard sciences should know. It's a methodological problem; sometimes it's exploited by Big Pharma selling snake oil, but not always. It depends who is doing the research, and how shady they are. The people who shilled for drugs like SSRIs in medical journals, and who have actively worked for decades to suppress access to abandoned clinical trials that demonstrated severe adverse effects, are very different from the folks who developed the vaccine over the past year.

My own back-of-the-envelope is that while adverse reactions to the vaccine-- including death-- are likely considerably higher than reported, the vaccine is still by far the safest bet for most people. I encourage rougly 90% of my own clients to speak to their primary care providers and see if they are eligible.

When I have a client who is a cancer survivor, or who has MS or Lupus or Lyme disease, my approach is a bit different. Since I'm a psychotherapist, I cannot give medical advice about a treatment, but my scope of practice does allow me to provide education and referrals, and I strongly encourage clients to contact their specialists, and not to be afraid to ask hard questions. It hasn't happened with the vaccine yet, but when a doctor is pushing a drug or a dosage that seems unreasonable to me, I do sometimes ask for a release to speak with that doctor so they can explain it to me. I have been known to stand at a nursing station with my arms folded across my chest, and demand that a physician or nurse explain why a particular medication is prescribed for one of my hospitalized clients.

There is a learning curve to this. It is starting to seem like cancer survivors and folks on immunosuppressive drugs may not be at much elevated risk. I am frustrated that it's taking so long to identify the patients who might be at risk of severe side effects-- particularly for blood clots. I do understand why it's hard-- even if VAERS is off by an order of magnitude, 30,000 deaths would still be a pretty small population for research purposes, and we don't know what medical conditions or side effects we are looking for. In human terms, 30,000 or 3,000, it's still a lot of people-- and we should look out for them.

One thing encourages me: When I search for information about my own illness and the vaccine online, I almost always stumble across requests to join clinical trials. So I do think we're learning more, but it may take a while.

Personally, I believe that those who cannot take the vaccine, or who have credible medical reasons for choosing not to take it, have a particular obligation to continue distancing and mask up. I no longer wear a mask on most trails, but I always carry one, and when it's crowded, I wear it. I wear a P100 respirator whenever I go inside a public place-- and I filter the exhaust valve as best I can from the inside. I don't take public transportation or eat in restaurants. This is for my own protection, for the protection of others, and for the protection of animals. I am concerned that some new variants have spread among minks, dogs, cats, mice, and chimps, among other species.

I also believe that what's happening in Brazil and Delhi could happen here. What I fear most is a variant with a longer incubation period-- that could be an ELE, extinction level event, and I don't see why that couldn't happen.

I agree that the war metaphor. Let's all stand together-- and go kick ass.
 
On the mask thing...there aren't so many riders in my area that I can't easily steer clear. In any case, I carry a cartridge respirator in my top bag in the off chance that one is needed. Typical cloth mask does a pretty good job covering the exhaust port. Interesting line of discussion on the dropping population. You can find all kinds of theories on the causes, ranging from environmental toxins and reduced fertility to the economics/cost of raising kids to the shift of women's roles and aspirations. Has anyone seen any kind of recent effort to disentangle all the speculated factors. I haven't. Just looking for anything you might have run across. Back to the masks...when I have run up on other riders, the singles and doubles mask up pretty quickly. The large groups, not so much. Have a great ride.
 
I am always masked up. In the winter it helps me stay warm right now it helps me avoid eating millions of little flies that are breeding near the lake. On hot days I wear a wet bandana which keeps me cool for 15 minutes.
 
I carry a mask on my handlebars and another in a pocket, but haven't worn one while riding or seen many others do so. But we haven't hit peak bug eating season here yet either.
People walking generally wear them both inside and outside around here.
 
Nice until they allow a variant to emerge and then we start this s*it all over again.
Sorry but I'm not that forgiving to the selfish or ill conceived freedom fighters.
There's nothing inherently wrong with variants emerging. They can be a good thing, actually. Often they are less lethal and so spread more easily for longer. That might not be a bad thing.
The partial constraints already put on are what encourage variants to emerge and become dominant varieties.
The more contagious varieties get past the partial measures and become dominant. Simples. If the direction is to the lesser lethality, it's a good thing.
 
I sometimes think of myself as a compassionate person which is why deaths haven´t even begun to
exceed my projections. I figure at least 1/3 of the human population will probably have to die off if
there´s to be any chance of saving the planet. Yeah, that´s pretty dark; I really hope I´m wrong,
but I don´t think so.
We can do this by having fewer children instead of through war and disease.

It won't be easy, but I'm not as pessimistic as most about this.

Hey, we all used to smoke on airplanes, and nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs our species has ever used.

The drive for procreation is stronger, so this will be harder. And it's a deeply flawed analogy! But I don't think it's impossible.
 
Ok. I'll link to the green room and we can talk there if it's not about eBike stuff.
 
f*ck Rand Paul. Man, if you ever doubted the virus causes neurological damage, there's a case study for you.

Never a great linear thinker, or much of a thinker at all, but after 'recovering' from COVID, he's about as sharp as a bowling ball.

Why are you talking about Rand Paul?


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Medical Definition of knee jerk
: an involuntary forward jerk or kick produced by a light blow or sudden strain upon the patellar tendon of the knee that causes a reflex contraction of the quadriceps muscle. — called also patellar reflex.
 
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