Checking in at 1K

[dollarbin]

Hey Everyone,

I want to celebrate my T10+ reaching it's first milestone at 1000 miles. Purchased in September 2023, I have a long list of things I love about this bike, from its fire engine red paint job to its zippy motor that eats up my 16 mile commute in less than 50 minutes on most days. Functionally it's a 1:1 replacement for my previous bike, a 2020 Specialized Vado 5.0, which I had to move on from because of reliability issues with the Brose motor and other components. One thousand miles is probably insufficient for a full evaluation of the reliability of the Gazelle and its Bosch motor, but it's certainly been trouble free so far. One notable feature is the performance of the Schwalbe tires--I encounter a lot of debris on my route over the Dumbarton Bridge and flats were a frequent occurrence on my previous bike (averaging one flat every 600 miles).

These bikes are still available in my area for $1000 less than MSRP and even though they don't have the newest, shiniest Bosch motor system with App integration it's a great time to jump on one of these.

 

[nutdriver]

Glad to hear the positive early review on your Gazelle. Hope this bike provides many miles of carefree riding.

 

[dollarbin]

I figured a little positive feedback was warranted in our sleepy neck of the woods. As a refugee from the much more lively Specialized forum I'm wondering if Gazelle owners are awash in quiet satisfaction for the most part.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I figured a little positive feedback was warranted in our sleepy neck of the woods. As a refugee from the much more lively Specialized forum I'm wondering if Gazelle owners are awash in quiet satisfaction for the most part.

Was not there an old commercial: "Nobody will fire you for buying an IBM"?
Nobody would condemn you for buying a Gazelle. These are good e-bikes.

 

[nutdriver]

I have been very impressed with Gazelle bikes. I purchased a medium frame Gazelle Ultimate T10+ from Upway but have not been able to use it yet. The deal was too good to pass up and Upway's inventory on the bike was limited. Technically I fit into the large frame but after a lot of research I think the medium frame will serve me well. I was able to ride a medium Ultimate T10+ before purchase. Unfortunately, I also had rotator cuff surgery in early January (a week before it arrived). It will be a while yet before I can actually ride it. I also live in the mountains of Colorado and we have a lot of snow.

 

[dollarbin]

2K. Still fun!

Zero complaints about the bike so far. The stock Schwalbe tires yet to have a flat on a route that would have had about 2.5 flats by now on my previous bike. There are still some Ultimate T10+ available discounted a lot off of MSRP, I strongly urge anyone on the fence to swoop while you can.

 

[Sparky731]

My wife and I just today completed a biking tour in Idaho with Discovery Tours. We selected Discovery over other bike touring companies we have toured with just for their e-bikes — Gazelles — which I consider comparable to our Treks we own at home. I have not found a touring company that provides a better ebike, other than Trek Travel.

The Gazelle bikes were very dependable and comfortable. We only rode 135 miles over 6 days, (compared to >20K on our Treks) but we both liked the Gazelle bikes.

 

[nutdriver]

I have been very impressed with Gazelle bikes. I purchased a medium frame Gazelle Ultimate T10+ from Upway but have not been able to use it yet. The deal was too good to pass up and Upway's inventory on the bike was limited. Technically I fit into the large frame but after a lot of research I think the medium frame will serve me well. I was able to ride a medium Ultimate T10+ before purchase. Unfortunately, I also had rotator cuff surgery in early January (a week before it arrived). It will be a while before I can actually ride it. I also live in the mountains of Colorado and we have a lot of snow.

I had posted the note copied above back in March of this year. At the time, I was anxiously waiting to ride my new Gazelle Ultimate T10+ which was delayed because of lots of snow and recovery from rotator cuff surgery. It was around the middle of April when the snow was gone, and I was finally able to ride my new bike. I am delighted with the ride and the quality of construction offered by Gazelle. This photo was taken in early June at the top of Vail Pass in Colorado.

 

[JoeDirt]

Hello all, I am looking at the gazelle as well the T10. They have new models that use the internal rear hub as a transmission I forgot the term they use. But I did some research on that type of belt drivetrain, I was told from the dealer representative that these are much harder to free pedal without assistance then your standard chain drivetrain.

So I am looking at the T10 + for a boost in power. I like the looks of these bikes especially the full top tube step over.

Can anyone share their experiences with this model. I know the Bosch system is well tested and the components seem quality as well, but some real world experiences. Thank you

 

[nutdriver]

Hello all, I am looking at the gazelle as well the T10. They have new models that use the internal rear hub as a transmission I forgot the term they use. But I did some research on that type of belt drivetrain, I was told from the dealer representative that these are much harder to free pedal without assistance then your standard chain drivetrain.

So I am looking at the T10 + for a boost in power. I like the looks of these bikes especially the full top tube step over.

Can anyone share their experiences with this model. I know the Bosch system is well tested and the components seem quality as well, but some real world experiences. Thank you

Are you looking at the Medeo T10+ or the Ultimate T10+? I have the Ultimate T10+ version and have been very happy with it. The build quality is superb. I personally prefer the derailleur shifting vs internal gear hub for the simplicity factor and a significant boost in drive efficiency. A chain however does mean more maintenance over the life of the bike in comparison to a belt drive. I doubt that you will normally ride the bike without the motor assist unless you had some type of system failure so the lower efficiency of hub drive may not be a big deal. I really like the Bosch drive system. It feels very natural and has been trouble free. As far as components, the quality is generally very good. I did change out the crank arms to a somewhat shorter length. I went from 173 mm to 165 mm using the Race Face Aeffect R which also decreased the q-factor by about 10 mm. Pedals were also upgraded to Race Face Chesters.

 

[JoeDirt]

Are you looking at the Medeo T10+ or the Ultimate T10+? I have the Ultimate T10+ version and have been very happy with it. The build quality is superb. I personally prefer the derailleur shifting vs internal gear hub for the simplicity factor and a significant boost in drive efficiency. A chain however does mean more maintenance over the life of the bike in comparison to a belt drive. I doubt that you will normally ride the bike without the motor assist unless you had some type of system failure so the lower efficiency of hub drive may not be a big deal. I really like the Bosch drive system. It feels very natural and has been trouble free. As far as components, the quality is generally very good. I did change out the crank arms to a somewhat shorter length. I went from 173 mm to 165 mm using the Race Face Aeffect R which also decreased the q-factor by about 10 mm. Pedals were also upgraded to Race Face Chesters.

Hello thanks for that response. I am looking at the ultimate T10 plus. Can you tell me how fast you have had that up to? Is it supposed to be a class 3 but I'm wondering if the Bosch drive system gives you a real efficient assistance up to 28 or do you have to work for it in the last mile per hour.?

I did look at the components and saw that they are top Quality Brakes. Also derailleur and cassette. My only real concern is the 53 lb, reminds me of the Trek Verve + 3 which is 54 lb. I call it the Iron Maiden! Thanks in advance for any response on the acceleration and torque curve

 

[fooferdoggie]

Hello thanks for that response. I am looking at the ultimate T10 plus. Can you tell me how fast you have had that up to? Is it supposed to be a class 3 but I'm wondering if the Bosch drive system gives you a real efficient assistance up to 28 or do you have to work for it in the last mile per hour.?

I did look at the components and saw that they are top Quality Brakes. Also derailleur and cassette. My only real concern is the 53 lb, reminds me of the Trek Verve + 3 which is 54 lb. I call it the Iron Maiden! Thanks in advance for any response on the acceleration and torque curve

I have a trek and older bulls, and it took about 250 watts of my own power, I think, on tour, though, it may have been sport to get it up to 28mph. but the motor starts ramping down at 25mph 52 pounds is standard for a bosh-powered bike, from what I have seen.

 

[JoeDirt]

I have a trek and older bulls, and it took about 250 watts of my own power, I think, on tour, though, it may have been sport to get it up to 28mph. but the motor starts ramping down at 25mph 52 pounds is standard for a bosh-powered bike, from what I have seen.

Thanks for that, that's what I was thinking as well, but at least you're getting to 25 mph with a full assist assuming it's still fairly easy at that mph with a good Cadence.

I have also been looking at the Brose motor with their new 1.2 motor which is supposed to give 50 newton meters of torque. I know that's less than the gazelle.
I would like to give that gazelle a try but I have to drive to Santa Monica to test one since that's the only bike shop that has one.

I did ride the Modelo T10 plus which is the same motor but a different frame.
I could only get it up to 19 mph in the short parking lot, But it did accelerate quickly.

Are you happy with the range in battery on this bike? I know Bosch is pretty conservative when it comes to usage just wondering how you like it?

I'm close to making a decision probably next week. Thank you

 

[fooferdoggie]

Thanks for that, that's what I was thinking as well, but at least you're getting to 25 mph with a full assist assuming it's still fairly easy at that mph with a good Cadence.

I have also been looking at the Brose motor with their new 1.2 motor which is supposed to give 50 newton meters of torque. I know that's less than the gazelle.
I would like to give that gazelle a try but I have to drive to Santa Monica to test one since that's the only bike shop that has one.

you can't use all the torque on flat ground. you need a really steep hill or a little less so and going really fast. I found I don't know if I hit the limit when I did a 20% grade, and I was putting out 550 watts, keeping my rpms at 80 going up that hill about killed me. I can usually do 450 watts, and that does not max the motor out. Id id on my older bosch but not the gen4

 

[nutdriver]

Hello thanks for that response. I am looking at the ultimate T10 plus. Can you tell me how fast you have had that up to? Is it supposed to be a class 3 but I'm wondering if the Bosch drive system gives you a real efficient assistance up to 28 or do you have to work for it in the last mile per hour.?

I did look at the components and saw that they are top Quality Brakes. Also derailleur and cassette. My only real concern is the 53 lb, reminds me of the Trek Verve + 3 which is 54 lb. I call it the Iron Maiden! Thanks in advance for any response on the acceleration and torque curve

In my riding area, I rarely need to go above 20 mph so my experience is somewhat limited. I definitely still feel-good motor support up to 25 mph. The speed limit above 25 is more about my crank rpm being higher than my desired target. This is with a 48 tooth chainring and 11 tooth cassette. I am in the process of installing a 50 tooth front chainring which should help a bit. I did not want to have to add any links to my chain or I would have gone to a 52 tooth chainring. I definitely do not need such a low gear even when climbing and I live in an area with substantial mountain passes.

I really am happy with the Bosch motor. The support is excellent and feels very natural. Battery life has also been very good.

Before my purchase, I had narrowed down my choice between a Trek Allant+ 7S and the Gazelle Ultimate T10+. Riding both, I did have a preference for the Gazelle. Riding position for me was more comfortable and I liked the adjustable handlebar stem. Also, the somewhat thinner tire size was also to my liking.

 

[JoeDirt]

In my riding area, I rarely need to go above 20 mph so my experience is somewhat limited. I definitely still feel-good motor support up to 25 mph. The speed limit above 25 is more about my crank rpm being higher than my desired target. This is with a 48 tooth chainring and 11 tooth cassette. I am in the process of installing a 50 tooth front chainring which should help a bit. I did not want to have to add any links to my chain or I would have gone to a 52 tooth chainring. I definitely do not need such a low gear even when climbing and I live in an area with substantial mountain passes.

I really am happy with the Bosch motor. The support is excellent and feels very natural. Battery life has also been very good.

Before my purchase, I had narrowed down my choice between a Trek Allant+ 7S and the Gazelle Ultimate T10+. Riding both, I did have a preference for the Gazelle. Riding position for me was more comfortable and I liked the adjustable handlebar stem. Also, the somewhat thinner tire size was also to my liking.

Thanks for that info, that's what I was looking for, mostly to see that you could still get good motor support and it wouldn't be hard to get the speed up to the class 3 Max.
Where I live, along the coastal areas is mostly flat and I like to get moving up to the class 3 speed when I need to and not have to work hard to do it; these bikes are not light.

I really want to ride one, but it seems they're very elusive here in the Southland where I live.

I have a pretty good idea of the Power Band from riding a different model with the same drivetrain. I'm still sitting on the fence waiting for a test drive on the new specialized Vado SL EQ. Not as much torque but I don't always put so much faith in manufacturers torque variances. Thanks again for all the great info, ride on!