Bosch has an ABS system for Ebikes

Chris Hammond

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Just came across this article. (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)
It doesn't mention pricing, but looks like an innovative safety solution for ebikes that tend to be traveling faster and farther.
 
It is an interesting novelty but remember that the most important thing is the pilot and the mind of the pilot, if the rider goes to 50km / h and treads a puddle with oil, forget that the abs can do much.


It is one more step in security that is good.
 
The article talks about riders not using their front brake optimally for fear of going over the handlebars. I would say that judging by brake pad wear of the many thousands of bicycles I have serviced, a large number of people either use the front brake minimally, or not at all. So an ABS system for bicycles..and not just e-bikes...could be a real benefit for novice riders.
 
For the vast majority of cyclists, a brake system like the ones in automobiles would be the best.
Most cyclists don't understand or want to understand the difference between front and rear brake, they just want to apply the brakes to slow down the bike in a safe manner. I'm not talking about the enthusiasts here on this forum but the everyday moms and dads cycling to work or school. Hydraulic with ABS would suite them very well. One lever only, to control both brakes. As in automobiles, front brake would be stronger than rear.
 
We already have the 'one lever only' thing, it's called Outbraker, it removes redundancy (obviously) but it allows one lever to break both front and rear brakes. I got one for a person who cannot break with their right hand; will install and post it very soon. Keep in mind that you need to re-bleed brakes when doing this, which is annoying...
 
it's called Outbraker

Interesting, have not seen this before. Their homepage says "This is not just a simple product for reducing hydraulics and cutting down braking performance." but fails to explain what it is, exactly, more than a pressure limiter. It appears to be a simple device that goes a long way in preventing accidental flipover in an emergency braking situation.
But it is not comparable to true ABS since it does not detect wheel movement.
 
@tompat I think it's just a pressure limiter that does some modulation. in the case of two-hose connection, it probably equalizes the pressure because, if you think about it, a single lever connected to 2 different brakes would require 2x the pressure to trigger both breaks. it's purely a mechanical solution with no electronic monitoring of the components. I'll know more when I get it and install it.

Regarding Bosch ABS, it's great, except that:

1) It's a relatively big box dangling on the front of the bike. I understand that this box is where brake pressure is generated in order to provide continuous on-off action, but still, I suspect future bike designs would hide it the way they try to hide the motor and batteries.

2) It only affects the front wheel. So it's solving 50% of the problems: yes, this will prevent you flying over the handlebars, but you know what, not many people brake exclusively with the front wheel. In fact, I find that on all of my bikes, the rear brake pads wear off a lot more than the front. Also, you need to remember that front braking is less effective when you have a suspension fork because, before front braking takes place, the fork folds. So I don't know how serious a problem the front-wheel ABS is solving.

The problem it does not solve is rear brake lock-up. You can experience this if you cycle on ice without studded tires and break with the rear brake: your rear wheel will just start going into one direction. This can happen on different types of terrain, and having ABS kick in there would be really nice too. Obviously, ABS won't let you use non-studded tires on ice.
 
@tompat I don't know how serious a problem the front-wheel ABS is solving.

It is helping to solve the manufacturer's problem of how to sell more stuff. Anyway, it is a baby step. First generation technology. It will really boil down to cost and perceived need; that will determine the fate of ABS and its adoption. For right now, I can say I absolutely hate the "faux-ABS" that a lot of bikes with linear pull brakes have; it does nothing but make the front brake feel mushy while simultaneously making the brake difficult to adjust/not rub.
 
I got to check this out at Eurobike last year and it’s definitely pretty cool. I think there are many riders that will really benefit from this. I think it’s a ways off until we’ll be seeing it on production bikes here though. Definitely excited about the direction Bosch is going with this though.
 
The biggest benefit IMO would be the ability to apply maximum braking in a panic stop situation without fear of going over the bars. I’ve hit two cars before on my regular bikes. If you think you can perfectly modulate your brake power in a panic stop situation good luck with that one...

2) It only affects the front wheel. So it's solving 50% of the problems: yes, this will prevent you flying over the handlebars, but you know what, not many people brake exclusively with the front wheel.

Actually, most of the braking (like 80+%) is done by the front wheel as the weight shifts forward. As far as only working on the front wheel that just requires you to train yourself only to use the front brake in a panic stop. Many people already do that on regular bikes since they run into the same issue of locking up the rear tire if they apply maximum brake pressure to both brakes in a panic stop situation. Sheldon Brown explains the technique here:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
 
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Thanks for the excellent link Dunbar. I definitely learned a LOT. I have been riding bikes my whole life, and I had never really considered the benefit of primarily braking the front wheel only. I have always just used both brakes fairly evenly. I will be practicing this to get used to it. Thanks.
 
Sheldon Brown is a very experienced, very skilled, and very opinionated cyclist.

His ideas and opinions are often provocative, outside-the-box, and more than a little controversial. I certainly think many of his ideas are spot on and are worth trying and/or experimenting with. Some of his other ideas are seriously loony (fixed gears????).
 
Anyone who has ridden motorcycles knows that the front brake has most of the stopping power, and that over-applying the rear brake can cause the rear wheel to lock up and start a dangerous fishtail skid. Noobs fear using the front brake too much, they think they will do a "stoppie."

This is possible, but unlikely. As you stop, the weight of bicycle and rider shift forward. Inertia. This increases the friction of the front tire on the pavement, allowing it to continue to roll without skidding. This plus the added inertia moving forward makes the brake have to work harder to slow it down. The faster you are going, the more all of this applies.

So a stoppie is possible but hard to do. Bracing with the arms tends to move your body's weight rearward, as Sheldon Brown suggested, which helps.

You want to use the rear brake also, because you're trying to stop quickly in this scenario. A ratio of between 60-80% front to 20-40% rear - it's hard to be precise at times like this - is optimal.

You don't learn this in the moment that you need it. It takes practice. Here's how I was taught, by a nationally-recognized motorcycle trainer (this applies to bicycles just as well): Find a parking lot where you have room to practice. Mark a place on the pavement where you will start the braking. Ride towards it, slowly at first. Brake when you cross the line. Do it several times, increasing the braking force some each time, until you are stopping as quickly as possible without losing control. Gradually increase speed, repeating the above process with each increment.

There is no other way to train the "modulation of the front brake" that I know of. Intellectual understanding helps but is insufficient. Trying a few passes will prove the truth of the concept, but won't give the muscle memory.

Or never exceed about 12 mph and don't worry about it.

I like the ABS brakes on my motorcycle. They have saved my bacon once or twice, allowing me to concentrate on the situation without worrying about over-braking. If they can be made reliable for bicycles, great! But I'm not holding my breath. They are expensive on motorbikes, and maintenance is both costly and essential. It's not the kind of work the average owner could or should do forhim/herself. I'm not sure I want a system that adds hundreds of dollars to the purchase price and subsequent upkeep, making a vehicle that is remarkable for its simplicity anything but. I'm not against it; I have a healthy skepticism.
 
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The biggest benefit IMO would be the ability to apply maximum braking in a panic stop situation without fear of going over the bars. I’ve hit two cars before on my regular bikes. If you think you can perfectly modulate your brake power in a panic stop situation good luck with that one...



Actually, most of the braking (like 80+%) is done by the front wheel as the weight shifts forward. As far as only working on the front wheel that just requires you to train yourself only to use the front brake in a panic stop. Many people already do that on regular bikes since they run into the same issue of locking up the rear tire if they apply maximum brake pressure to both brakes in a panic stop situation. Sheldon Brown explains the technique here:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
I work hard in practicing fast stops.

My CCS still has a 180mm rotor because the fork cannot accept a 203mm disc.

But I have replaced the front brake with the four-piston Magura MT 5 and I have replaced the rear 180mm disc with one of 160mm, for reduced braking torque at the rear.

Goal is to more nearly equalize the grip pressure needed to make a fast stop.

Thoughts so far: My bike is much easier to modulate to a very fast stop on dry pavement than it was when stock; the Magura MT5 (and the more adjustable MT7 get votes for excellent brake modulation.

The faster the rate of braking, the more weight transfer to the front wheel. A very fast stop requires shifting body weight to the rear, and even then, the bike begins to do an endo. Again, I practice making fast stops and need to practice a whole lot more.

But with my present purposely mis-matched front and rear brakes it is much easier to stop fast in a panic situation without sliding the rear tire, although at near max braking deceleration the rear wheel should not get any braking at all!

An ABS for bikes will be a great help for all. But, with the normal high center of gravity of a rider on a bike, the untrained rider will still be at risk of an endo unless the ABS dumbs down the fast braking on dry pavement, and controls not just wheel skid on poor, wet or sandy conditions but also deceleration, reducing front wheel braking efficiency on grippy dry pavement, in favor of not endo'ing a hapless cyclist.

This could be done with a tilt sensor, perhaps strain gauges measuring front/rear dynamic weight distribution changes and providing automatic brake modulation cues in consequence to to the ABS circuit. And if a rider does not know or does not act to shift her or his weight back, the bike would contrive to simply not brake fast enough to effect an endo.

I am no expert rider or braker. But I want to be better at braking and my unequal brakes and a little practice have made great gains. I know by now to slide back and duck down when stopping fast, for the endo risk is present on dry pavement. There is no discernable risk of skidding a front tire (of my bike, at least) in a fast stop on dry pavement, because of the weight transfer: the tire adhesion in the front increases proportional to rate of braking, opposite to what happens at the rear. So far in my timid trials, with me sitting all the way rearward on the CCS luggage rack, as low as can be, I cannot break the grip of the Michelin Protek Urban 38C tire up front. But man, it does stop pretty fast under that crazy condition! The torque from the brake disk mounted far off to the left side of the bike wheel dramatically visibly twists the front wheel structure; the disk torque springs the front wheel away off to one side, out from under the center of the fork crown!

But yes! ABS for bikes will be a reality someday if ebikes continue to grow in popularity. In my opinion, bike ABS should address the endo issue, foremost.
 
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Not to be a naysayer but for those who think it’s not possible to lock up a front hydraulic disc brake check out this video. This bike has much less powerful rim brakes. I wish I could be confident that my braking skills are so good that I can perfectly brake on the limit of lockup in a panic stop situation. Experience has led me to believe that is not a realistic expectation.

 
Cool video. I was a bike messenger in San Francisco in 1976-77 (rider 13, Special-T Deliveries; they're still around) so it brings back memories.

I didn't see a stoppie though. There's a moment around minute 4:35 where he stops very abruptly and loses his balance, but doesn't go end for end.

In any case, I don't think anyone has said you couldn't do a stoppie. There are YouTubes where they teach you how. Apparently it's a useful skill for MTB. I wouldn't know.

There's no question that too much front brake can cause loss of control in a couple of ways. There's more danger of newbies not grabbing enough front brake because of fear of losing control. That's why I emphasize that aspect. Information about too much is useful also.

I still don't see ABS brakes as likely to be the answer any time soon (getting back to the OP.)
 
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