A generalized eBike design Amateur Cyclists can relate to and compare against

[BikeMike]

If, like me, you pedal to Wal-mart in 5-10 min.and nestle your bike with several more, the aggregate worth of which is $25, I'd suggest using, as in my case, a Huffy cruiser worth $159 new. I have brought my ebike to Aldi, as they have no bike rack and have been given permission to leave the bike inside by the exit and the cash registers.

I still haven't solved the lock problem, but feel in my bones that one doesn't use a $10 cable lock ( Huffy cruiser) for a $4k, or even a $2k.wonderbike. A battery Ryobi grinder defeats them all in a minute or so.

As for the ongoing ebike market discussion, here's what one hugely successful direct manufacturer has built (cargo, kids, commute, fun) These got the owners on Forbes' 30 under 30 list. https://www.radpowerbikes.com/pages/electric-bikes

There are ebikes marketed all sorts of ways, even as...works of art. https://www.italjet.com/en/

The reason for putting a small motor on a racing bike, that serves no market, is to build an image around the small motor. Perhaps, a few prototype bikes might be entered into eBike races to generate publicity.

The ultimate target for small electrical systems are inexpensive eBikes. The small motors will seem like a great value, if they had first been used on expensive racing bikes. Very cunning.

Honda used the same strategy to enter the automobile market. Build race cars, rather than consumer products. Learn from the racing experience. Establish a winning history. Sell inexpensive cars to the mass market. Move on up the food chain to very expensive cars.

 

[BikeMike]

Here's another surprise eBike from Diavelo, at least to me: Kawasaki.

What's Diavelo all about, anyway?

DIAVELO is a bike brand and development company who work for A brands in the automotive industry and in the bicycle industry for leightweight electric vehicles.

https://www.biketoday.news/article/new-kawasaki-electric-bikes-presented-by-diavelo

 

[BikeMike]

One of the most fascinating stories: Ducati Multistrada's electronic controller to make four motorcycles in one piece of hardware.

 

[BikeMike]

The DiaVelo/Accell Group e-Xcite 800 Trekking Ladies or Gents eBike is a sensible application of the lightweight M800 motor with the corresponding 11.6 AH battery. The M800 does not strike me as a racing motor, because it is an underpowered motor best suited for anything but the road racing market.

I am a big proponent of encouraging people to ride a reasonable distance, i.e., less than 2.5 miles. I believe the Bafang is a great motor for short trips.

https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ric-bicycles-and-public-transportation.24565/

 

[BikeMike]

1. BAFANG M800 MINI MID DRIVE SYSTEM: CENTER MOTOR FOR E-RACING BIKES
2. BAFANG M SERIES: M500 AND M600 FOR E-MTBS AND S-PEDELECS
3. BAFANG M420: MID-ENGINE FOR E-CITY BIKES AND E-TREKKING BIKES
4. BAFANG H800: REAR HUB MOTOR FOR E-MTBS AND S-PEDELECS
5. BAFANG F-SERIES BATTERIES
6. BAFANG MINI HUB FOR FRONT OR REAR WHEEL DRIVE

Neuer Mini-Mittelmotor fürs e-Rennrad

 

[BikeMike]

Some interesting 2019 bikes:

• Trek Powerfly Sport E Bike 2019, $2900
• 

Trek Domane Plus EU Electric Road

• Frame - 500 Series OCLV Carbon. Rear IsoSpeed, Tapered head tube, internal battery, flat mount disc brakes, 12mm thru-axle, internal cable routing, Ride Tuned seatmast, hidden mudguard mounts
• Fork - Domane + carbon steer and crown, flat mount disc brakes, 12mm thru-axles
• Motor - Bosch Performance Speed, 350 watt
• Battery - Bosch PowerTube 500wh

 

[Trail Cruiser]

I am a big proponent of encouraging people to ride a reasonable distance, i.e., less than 2.5 miles. I believe the Bafang is a great motor for short trips.

If your intended ride is just 2-3 miles, you don't even need a motor unless you have some sort of disability or it's a hilly route. You just need a reasonably inexpensive lightweight bicycle.

Once, I forgot to charge my battery and I pedaled without motor assist for 5 miles on my direct hub drive (talk about cogging resistance). That was a good workout for me, however, it was a boring experience since I don't enjoy the scenery at a very slow pace.

 

[BikeMike]

If your intended ride is just 2-3 miles, you don't even need a motor unless you have some sort of disability or it's a hilly route. You just need a reasonably inexpensive lightweight bicycle.

Once, I forgot to charge my battery and I pedaled without motor assist for 5 miles on my direct hub drive (talk about cogging resistance). That was a good workout for me, however, it was a boring experience since I don't enjoy the scenery at a very slow pace.

Agreed. I am providing this information for people who are might consider an eBike, because they would never ride a bike. The best chance for success are people who might ride an eBike, but no further than 2.5 miles. Denver has done extensive research that I summarize here:

https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ric-bicycles-and-public-transportation.24565/
I pedal my conventional bikes standing up for 2.5 miles, in a hilly area, every other day. I pedal a 2% grade at 16mph, standing up. I usually ride 25+ miles on alternate days. I live in a drainage area that forms a gully. So, I pedal 2.5 miles to reach the top of the ridge. Along the hilly ridge, i go much faster. The slowest part of my ride is reaching the ridge. Along the ridge, the ride feels like a roller coaster, because i start coasting at 30+ mph.

My goal is to eventually pedal the first five miles standing up, which has at least a 5% grade for ~3/4 of a mile. The subsequent ten miles are primarily down the ridge.

Pedaling standing up for one mile feels like ten miles of pedaling sitting down.

You may now better understand why judging eBike responsiveness by pedaling standing up, is such an important metric to me. More important, is to keep the entire bike weight under 13kg.

 

[Trail Cruiser]

Agreed. I am providing this information for people who are might consider an eBike, because they would never ride a bike. The best chance for success are people who might ride an eBike, but no further than 2.5 miles. Denver has done extensive research that I summarize here:

https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ric-bicycles-and-public-transportation.24565/
I pedal my conventional bikes standing up for 2.5 miles, in a hilly area, every other day. I pedal a 2% grade at 16mph, standing up. I usually ride 25+ miles on alternate days. I live in a drainage area that forms a gully. So, I pedal 2.5 miles to reach the top of the ridge. Along the hilly ridge, i go much faster. The slowest part of my ride is reaching the ridge. Along the ridge, the ride feels like a roller coaster, because i start coasting at 30+ mph.

My goal is to eventually pedal the first five miles standing up, which has at least a 5% grade for ~3/4 of a mile. The subsequent ten miles are primarily down the ridge.

Pedaling standing up for one mile feels like ten miles of pedaling sitting down.

You may now better understand why judging eBike responsiveness by pedaling standing up, is such an important metric to me. More important, is to keep the entire bike weight under 13kg.

Pedaling standing up is good for short bursts since it is very energy intensive. You must be a very fit person. You should try the MTB mode of the Bosch motor since you can take full advantage of it while standing up.

 

[BikeMike]

Pedaling standing up is good for short bursts since it is very energy intensive. You must be a very fit person. You should try the MTB mode of the Bosch motor since you can take full advantage of it while standing up.

I usually see coyotes once a week pedaling up the gulch. A coyote den with three pups is directly behind my place. The coyotes howl in response to emergency sirens. Yesterday, this brazen coyote let me get within ten feet. Getting my camera out of my camelback took a while.

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Yesterday was the second close encounter with this coyote.

The only other time I got within ten feet of a coyote, was an seriously injured one.

The coyote outside its den, behind my place:

 

[BikeMike]

I believe Accell Group (sells over 1.3 million bicycles) will come to dominate the USA eBike market with this visionary acquisition of Beeline mobile bike service. Accell Group's DiaVelo is a very sophisticated marketing group. The Accell brands in the USA are Raleigh and Diamondback (UK, US, Canada).

https://www.accell-group.com/files/4/2/4/2/20180328 Press release - Accell Group acquires US-based mobile service company Beeline Bikes.pdf

PRESS RELEASE
ACCELL GROUP ACQUIRES US-BASED MOBILE SERVICE COMPANY BEELINE BIKES
HEERENVEEN (THE NETHERLANDS), 28 March 2018 – Accell Group N.V. today announces the increase of its minority stake in Beeline Bikes to 100%. Beeline Bikes (www.beelinebikes.com) is a pioneering mobile bike service company based on a franchise concept that delivers a turn-key sales, service and data collection solution tailored for Independent Bicycle Dealers (IBD’s) in North America. Theacquisition perfectly fits Accell Group’s strategy to offer mobile bike services as part of its consumercentric omni-channel model. Financial terms of the transaction are not disclosed.

Five years ago, Beeline Bikes was launched in Silicon Valley. The company delivers a seamless consumer experience from online purchase to the home delivery of ready-to-ride bikes. Accell Group will focus on rapidly growing the Beeline Bikes footprint in North America, which will support existing and future franchise partners as they seek to build dominant businesses in their respective markets. The acquisition furthers the focus on supporting IBD’s to best serve today’s connected consumer by offering a consistent, convenient, and remarkable experience buying and servicing a bike. Beeline Bikes will have direct access to the brands and resources of Accell Group’s North American business as it grows its franchise network in the coming years. In addition, the acquisition offers Accell Group the opportunity to bring Beeline Bikes to Europe.

Ton Anbeek, CEO of Accell Group: “To win locally in the North American market our strategy will focuson the needs and wishes of consumers through a true omni-channel approach. We want to empowerIBD’s to serve cyclists the way they research and buy today – across multiple channels. We have been partnering with Beeline Bikes for quite a while and have found that their mobile model and technology platform offer highly attractive synergies with the traditional brick and mortar channels. Beeline Bikes enables us to offer expansion to our IBD partners; it brings convenience, high-touch service, and an experiential and data-driven solution that rapidly expands our consumer reach while bolstering value to our growing franchise network in North America. This acquisition is a clear case of 1+1=3.”

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ABOUT ACCELL GROUP
Accell Group N.V. focuses internationally on the mid-range and higher segments of the market for bicycles and bicycle parts and accessories. The company has leading positions in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy, France, Finland, Turkey, the United Kingdom and the United States. In Europe,Accell Group is market leader in the bicycle market measured in turnover. Accell Group’s best knownbrands are Haibike (Germany), Winora (Germany), Batavus (Netherlands), Sparta (Netherlands), Koga (Netherlands), Lapierre (France), Ghost (Germany), Raleigh and Diamondback (UK, US, Canada), Tunturi (Finland), Atala (Italy), Redline (US), Loekie (Netherlands) and XLC (international). Accell Group and its subsidiaries employ approximately 3,000 people in eighteen countries worldwide. The company has production facilities in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Hungary, Turkey and China. Accell Group
Number of pages: 2

In case of any inconsistencies the Dutch version of this press release is leading. 1

products are sold in more than seventy countries. The company’s head office is located in Heerenveen(the Netherlands). Accell Group shares are traded on the official market of Euronext Amsterdam and are included in the Amsterdam Small Cap index (AScX). In 2017, Accell Group sold around 1.3 millionbicycles and recorded profitable turnover of over € 1 billion. www.accell-group.com

 

[BikeMike]

Pedaling standing up is good for short bursts since it is very energy intensive. You must be a very fit person. You should try the MTB mode of the Bosch motor since you can take full advantage of it while standing up.

I am trying to encourage non-cyclists to get into cycling on a bike like the Diavelo e-Xcite M800. The e-Xcite is hardly a bike for me (but tokul-ie-141 for $3,000 is for me), but I think the e-Xcite M800 would benefit at least ten percent of the USA population. The attractive aspect to me is this bike should weight about 13kg or 30 pounds. A featherweight, attractive, stealth eBike is a very important consideration to me.

In my opinion, an eBike like the e-Xcite M800 should be inexpensive due to the 11.5 Ah battery. My guess it contains half the number of battery cells of a high end battery pack. The entire Bafang M800 electrical system weighs less than 4.4kg or ten pounds. Diavelo is owned by Accell Group, which also owns Beeline mobile bike service.

The Diavelo sales and Beeline service combination has the potential to transform the entire concept of bicycles for short distance transportation (i.e., less than 2.5 miles) in the USA.

https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ric-bicycles-and-public-transportation.24565/

You will see the closest approximation in the USA through the Accell Group's Raleigh line. Some model like the Raleigh Sprite iE Step Thru or Detour iE Step Thru.

(Link Removed - No Longer Exists) (2018 $1,800)

(Link Removed - No Longer Exists) (2018 $2,100)

Perhaps, the e-Xcite might sell for under $1,500 ?

One way to evaluate an eBike might be nominal power-to-weight ratio. The ride experience might feel peppier, lighter and more responsive. People might truly feel "excited" about the bike. The Honda Super Cub experience pushed the Cub to become the highest selling motorcycle, ever.

• e-Xcite prototype: 200 watts / 30 pounds = 6.6 watts/pound
• Typical mountain bike might be 250 watts / 45 pounds = 5.6 watts/pound

 

[BikeMike]

Pedaling standing up is good for short bursts since it is very energy intensive. You must be a very fit person. You should try the MTB mode of the Bosch motor since you can take full advantage of it while standing up.

Would pay $3000 for this bike, or use the money for another bike, given what you know about my needs? One attractive feature about Accell Group is they acquired Beeline mobile repair service, so they can work on my bike in my driveway.

https://www.raleighusa.com/tokul-ie-141?avad=230753_a12edc0cd

I am also interested in the 2019 Trek Powerfly 5, for $800 more.

https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/...owerfly/powerfly-hardtail/powerfly-5/p/23180/

https://www.raleighusa.com/shipping