Delite and Homage 5
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sammcneill
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I’ve never been a fan of the design of these bikes and the rack always looks…. Odd to my eyes.
The move to a pinion geared motor is intriguing! Everything I read suggests Pinions are awesome and I think geared motors are the future for e-bikes but the integration of the motor on these two bikes looks…. Odd?! It’s far less discreet than the Bosch systems.
Bet they cost an absolute bomb !
The move to a pinion geared motor is intriguing! Everything I read suggests Pinions are awesome and I think geared motors are the future for e-bikes but the integration of the motor on these two bikes looks…. Odd?! It’s far less discreet than the Bosch systems.
Bet they cost an absolute bomb !
Yes it will cost the price of a decent electric motor bike…
But I really like the design of the frame. The Pinion MGU does not look like it fits and is too bulky but think if the Bosch system was added to this frame it would look good.
The rear rack certainly looks much better
Jean-Paul B.
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The most interesting thing is that R&M says this new design will accomodate different motor / gear brands, which is probably why it is a bit ... bulky.
This is certainly critical for them if they want to survive, and avoid being totally Bosch dependant.
On our Delite and Homage 4 (which are just fantastic bikes), motor, ABS, bike software, and user interface are Bosch products, and Bosch controls the end user relationship through its software.
As a CEO, I wouldn't like a supplier much bigger than me have such control over my customers and my costs.
Same story happened in automotive industry a century ago, between carbuilders and motorists......
This is certainly critical for them if they want to survive, and avoid being totally Bosch dependant.
On our Delite and Homage 4 (which are just fantastic bikes), motor, ABS, bike software, and user interface are Bosch products, and Bosch controls the end user relationship through its software.
As a CEO, I wouldn't like a supplier much bigger than me have such control over my customers and my costs.
Same story happened in automotive industry a century ago, between carbuilders and motorists......
Stefan Mikes
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If someone such as @Jeremy McCreary asks "What is a SUV e-bike", that's certainly the one
I even didn't check the price
I even didn't check the price
dblhelix
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Available in 2025 so there's time to save your money.If someone such as @Jeremy McCreary asks "What is a SUV e-bike", that's certainly the one
I even didn't check the price
I never thought about this but you are right… Bosch is kinda the brains and nervous system in RM bikes..The most interesting thing is that R&M says this new design will accomodate different motor / gear brands, which is probably why it is a bit ... bulky.
This is certainly critical for them if they want to survive, and avoid being totally Bosch dependant.
On our Delite and Homage 4 (which are just fantastic bikes), motor, ABS, bike software, and user interface are Bosch products, and Bosch controls the end user relationship through its software.
As a CEO, I wouldn't like a supplier much bigger than me have such control over my customers and my costs.
Same story happened in automotive industry a century ago, between carbuilders and motorists......
That gives a lot of control to Bosch away from RM.
I sure due hope that bulk lightens with Bosch motors though…the Pinion sitting in it is unsightly in an otherwise decent looking frame.
So Pinion will be the "brains and nervous system" instead? An equivalent scenario and, to me, of no concern.
Regardless, this is an interesting and exciting generational change in ebike technology. Lots of potential.
I wonder if such technology will be included in any future Supercharger models. So far, the SC seems to have been left by the wayside.
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Well the spokesman in the video is hinting that other motors can be placed where the Pinion is at present for the new models.
So maybe there will be options on top of Bosch, Pinion (Bafang, Shimano etc)
Who knows.. but the more the merrier I think.
Stefan Mikes
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I rather prefer sporty e-bikes
Jean-Paul B.
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Most probably because the frame is designed to fit different motor brands, hence room for the bigger ones.
I assume part of the volume is just a cover that will be adapted to each brand, in order to provide the same look whatever the motor.
Pure intellectual speculation for me, since my Delite 4 is expected to last a few years, but very interesting to follow.
For the bulky look, once you're on the saddle, you don't care.
I'm not sure whether it is Shaw or not who said "When I see a beautiful house, I buy the one across the street."
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Yes it does cover the shock. You can see the blue adjustment lever in some of the shots e.g. at 0:10. If you visually strip away that cover, the frame triangle probably looks similar to before. Personally I think it looks like the dogs breakfast, but I would love a Pinion!
Agree - dog's breakfast & still wanting a pinion! Here's a top down pic I found that I posted on another thread, shows the shock. Really do not understand R&M's design & look!
Apparatschik
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After three years and about 10.000 km riding with my homage Rohloff into my office I recently noticed that Riese Müller will now offer the homage5 with the pinion mgu. Due to my opinion the pinion mgu is the beginning of an e-bike revolution. In comparison with the Rohloff/Bosch combination it has got a lot of advantages.
Last but not least the design: Well, I like it. It' just a matter of taste. And tastes differ as we say in Germany.
- less weight
- direct gear change also under load
- Optimised center of gravity
- Minimised unsprung mass
- First the price didn't change.
- Improved suspension.
- Increased ground clearance although I replaced the original cranks at my current bike by 165 cm sized cranks.
- Improved mudgards: My current bike gets dirty very fast if there is/was bad weather.
- Next generation Supernova lights
- Improved handling of the suspension element
- I think the brakes are also a little bit better than the current Magura
- Increases payload
Last but not least the design: Well, I like it. It' just a matter of taste. And tastes differ as we say in Germany.
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