Planet3 on Specialized Creo - affecting Wahoo data

[AussieCreo]

I have a new 2022 Creo SL Expert kitted out as an Evo and have just fitted a Planet3 to it for assistance at a higher speed, when I am riding on private land. I noticed that my Wahoo seems to be picking up the speed and distance from the Planet3 magnet, even when I have assistance switched off. I want accurate ride information on my Wahoo (not bothered about the inbuilt bike User Interface). Is there a way of the Wahoo taking speed and distance from GPS, so that I can still get my power data, or do I have to just totally disable the E-Bike Sensor (so I won't get power data etc)?

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I have a new 2022 Creo SL Expert kitted out as an Evo and have just fitted a Planet3 to it for assistance at a higher speed, when I am riding on private land. I noticed that my Wahoo seems to be picking up the speed and distance from the Planet3 magnet, even when I have assistance switched off. I want accurate ride information on my Wahoo (not bothered about the inbuilt bike User Interface). Is there a way of the Wahoo taking speed and distance from GPS, so that I can still get my power data, or do I have to just totally disable the E-Bike Sensor (so I won't get power data etc)?

You might want to not connect all the sensors. What happens of you only connect the Power sensor to your Wahoo?
Have you considered the PearTune 3.0 chip instead of Planet 3?

 

[AussieCreo]

You might want to not connect all the sensors. What happens of you only connect the Power sensor to your Wahoo?
Have you considered the PearTune 3.0 chip instead of Planet 3?

I tried disabling the 'e-bike' sensor on my Wahoo and that fixed it, so I can now see thrue speed distance etc on my Wahoo. The only problem being now that Strava does not recognise it as an e-bike ride, so I might annoy some other pedallers (riding on private land, obvs) on their segments .

Not heard of PearTune, will take a look at it, but have purchased the Planet3 and it is working, so I'm probably good for now thanks!

 

[Stefan Mikes]

The only problem being now that Strava does not recognise it as an e-bike ride, so I might annoy some other pedallers (riding on private land, obvs) on their segments .

Just edit your rides on Strava, changing the activity type to E-Bike Ride

 

[Joan anton]

Hola a todos, tengo previsto cadquirir un PLANET3 para mi Specialized turbo creo sl 1.1 por su función de deslimitado (no para hacer carreras) pues con 75 años adquirí bicicletas EBIKE para así poder salir a realizar deporte .
Yo actualmente tengo montado el receptor señal iman de la rueda ( que lo tiene de origen al lado del disco i casi centro rueda ) pues dicho receptor señalando otro lo he puesto en la vaina paralela a la viela situació un iman em ça viela y la bicicleta circula deslimitada pues es la freqüència de la pedalada segun desarrollo el que te d'ara la velocidad deseada (siempre conectada) y no reflejando anomalía en el Mision Control de la bicicleta.
Con comprar un receptor senal y abril motor sin demontar canbiando conension sin demorar el actual de la bicicleta ya tienes la bicicleta delimitada por 1 euro precio del iman °+ los 30 euros del detector origina Specialized ( en tiendas o por correo ).
À I funciona seguro .
Lo que yo soy un amante de las inovaciones y po este motivo deseo montar un PLANET3

 

[Alex @ PLANET3.bike]

Hey guys, I'm a bit late to the party but I wanted to reply here just in case anyone in the future ends up here via Google like I just did. So, the thing to do with third party speedos like Wahoo and Garmin is this: If you have a PLANET3 on your bike, you should simply edit the wheel cirucmference setting in the Wahoo/Garmin and set it to a value higher than regular by the same factor as your PLANET3. For example: Creo SL uses a PLANET3 with a single planet configuration which means a 3,03:1 ratio, while the same device with a dual planet setup (some people prefered having a speed limit they can reach.. I know, weird.. ) has half that ratio at 1,515:1. Let's say your rear wheel circumference is 2200mm and you have a single planet config -> you would multiply 2200 by 3,03 and enter 6666 as the wheel circumference in Garmin/Wahoo. Keep in mind, the motor of the bike would still read a value of distance and speed that's 3x lower than real, but on your 3rd party device that simply uses the speed sensor and has the ability to change the wheel circumference you can use this feature to correct the speed/distance displayed to a real value while keeping the bike fully derestricted.

In fact, on some PLANET3 devices the ratio was so close to 1,6:1 with a dual planet configuration, that users who have their bikes in MPH could get a real speed displayed if they simply switched their display units to km/h. Rather neat.

 

[fexixav]

Hey guys, I'm a bit late to the party but I wanted to reply here just in case anyone in the future ends up here via Google like I just did. So, the thing to do with third party speedos like Wahoo and Garmin is this: If you have a PLANET3 on your bike, you should simply edit the wheel cirucmference setting in the Wahoo/Garmin and set it to a value higher than regular by the same factor as your PLANET3. For example: Creo SL uses a PLANET3 with a single planet configuration which means a 3.03:1 ratio, while the same device with a dual planet setup (some people preferred having a speed limit they can reach.. I know, weird. ) has half that ratio at 1.515:1. Let's say your rear wheel circumference is 2200mm and you have a single planet config -> you would multiply 2200 by 3.03 and enter 6666 as the wheel circumference in Garmin/Wahoo. Keep in mind, the motor of the bike would still read a value of distance and speed that's 3x lower than real, but on your 3rd party device that simply uses the speed sensor and has the ability to change the wheel circumference you can use this feature to correct the speed/distance displayed to a real value while keeping the bike fully derestricted.

In fact, on some PLANET3 devices the ratio was so close to 1.6:1 with a dual planet configuration, that users who have their bikes in MPH could get a real speed displayed if they simply switched their display units to km/h. Pretty neat. funny elf names

When I pair my Creo to my Wahoo Elemnt Roam I only find Ebike sensor to pair. While initially this is fine this has problems as there seems to be a problem in the Wahoo/Specialized integration. Distance is way off, and it has nothing to do with wheel circumference, and also Auto-Pause does not function as when stopped the Wahoo still records a low speed on the unit, preventing it from auto-pausing. I have raised a ticket with Wahoo who are already aware of the issue and say they are working with Specialized to solve this problem. My question is that the only field I really need from the Creo to show on my Wahoo, is Power. Is it possible to only pair Power and let GPS do the distance and speed calculation on my Wahoo? Just for information went for a ride yesterday, Wahoo recorded 27km, while Mission control recorded 31km. Wheel circumference is set at 2200mm which is slightly higher than the 2185mm which is recommended for my tire size, so the distance should have been higher, not less and definitely such as small discrepancy on wheel circumference should not account for such a large distance difference.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I have had no issues with Specialized/Wahoo integration for Vado or Vado SL, Roam 1, Bolt 2, Roam 2.

Specialized e-bikes have the wheel circumference entered into the system as a fixed value. This value is used globally for the entire e-bike model family and it usually disagrees with the actual wheel size. If you have a correct wheel size entered in Wahoo, there will be a discrepancy between the Specialized App/Mission Control and Wahoo distance and speed data.

Examples:

• My Vado 6.0 has the value of wheel circumference set as 2255 mm. If I set WhC as 2.255 m in Wahoo, I have the distance identical in Specialized App and Wahoo. (Actual wheel size is different for 47 or 50 mm tyres I use).
• My Vado SL 4.0 has the WhC value of 2180 set in the system. As long as I use 2.180 m in Wahoo, e-bike and Wahoo values are the same. (Actual wheel size is different for 35, 38 or 42 mm tyres I use).

To keep my distance and speed accurate in Strava, I use true WhC for given wheels in Wahoo, and ignore the discrepancy with Specialized App.

Regarding the sensor noise on Auto-Stop: I do not experience that.