2017 Cannondale Mavaro Performance 700F

I have some interesting news.... I discovered after purchasing my bike that it may be a '15 rather than a '16 model. I brought this to the attention of the bike shop and have been quite surprised at the owner's lack of business-like response. That said, I'm keeping the bike.

I have considerable biking experience. So I know exactly what you mean by having a sore bum. That will get better with time as your body adjusts to more and more riding.

I do agree -- the Mavaro could use a saddle upgrade. What works for me might not work for you, however. Some shops will "demo" saddles so you don't have to shell out a lot of cash to decide later you need or want something different. Check with your local bike shops (or possibly REI, if you have one in your area). Take a look at the "gel" saddles while you're at it. You might like them.

I've always worn padded bike shorts when doing traditional biking, but I haven't been wearing them when riding the Mavaro. That's something to consider as well, although I think it's a less utilized method because e-biking is thought of as more casual riding. But comfort matters and a sore bottom isn't pleasant. So do whatever you need to. I've been riding quite a lot the last few days and it's starting to add up on my "end" as well.

Regarding your question about the Bosch diagnostic check and software update, the prior commenter is correct. You'll need to find a certified Bosch technician to do that for you. Try calling around to find one in your area. When I was considering the Mavaro I spoke with another dealer who suggested the testing and even offered to do it for me. There's no charge involved.

I am liking the Mavaro more and more every time I ride it. Today I rode approximately 18 miles; yesterday approximately 19; and a few miles the day before that. Today's trip started on a full battery and I was pleasantly surprised to see how little battery I used, even when using various modes due to varying terrain.

Things the Mavaro needs are: lock-on ergonomic grips. I like the Brooks model (see first pic shown below). Ergon also has a nice option that's less expensive than the Brooks model (see second pic shown below). I would also like to add a suspension seat-post for added riding comfort. I'm just not sure what might work as my seat height is pretty low already.

I noticed you had posted a question elsewhere about purchasing a Bosch battery at a discounted price. I don't have any experience in this category, however, I did some searching and found this vendor offering the Bosch PowerPack 500 Performance battery at $687.18.
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/shop/bosch-9674?currency=5&delivery_country=191

I hope you're not having any issues with your current battery. I think we both have the 400 and mine seems to be in great condition.

Best!
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I have some interesting news.... I discovered after purchasing my bike that it may be a '15 rather than a '16 model. I brought this to the attention of the bike shop and have been quite surprised at the owner's lack of business-like response. That said, I'm keeping the bike.

I have considerable biking experience. So I know exactly what you mean by having a sore bum. That will get better with time as your body adjusts to more and more riding.

I do agree -- the Mavaro could use a saddle upgrade. What works for me might not work for you, however. Some shops will "demo" saddles so you don't have to shell out a lot of cash to decide later you need or want something different. Check with your local bike shops (or possibly REI, if you have one in your area). Take a look at the "gel" saddles while you're at it. You might like them.

I've always worn padded bike shorts when doing traditional biking, but I haven't been wearing them when riding the Mavaro. That's something to consider as well, although I think it's a less utilized method because e-biking is thought of as more casual riding. But comfort matters and a sore bottom isn't pleasant. So do whatever you need to. I've been riding quite a lot the last few days and it's starting to add up on my "end" as well.

Regarding your question about the Bosch diagnostic check and software update, the prior commenter is correct. You'll need to find a certified Bosch technician to do that for you. Try calling around to find one in your area. When I was considering the Mavaro I spoke with another dealer who suggested the testing and even offered to do it for me. There's no charge involved.

I am liking the Mavaro more and more every time I ride it. Today I rode approximately 18 miles; yesterday approximately 19; and a few miles the day before that. Today's trip started on a full battery and I was pleasantly surprised to see how little battery I used, even when using various modes due to varying terrain.

Things the Mavaro needs are: lock-on ergonomic grips. I like the Brooks model (see first pic shown below). Ergon also has a nice option that's less expensive than the Brooks model (see second pic shown below). I would also like to add a suspension seat-post for added riding comfort. I'm just not sure what might work as my seat height is pretty low already.

I noticed you had posted a question elsewhere about purchasing a Bosch battery at a discounted price. I don't have any experience in this category, however, I did some searching and found this vendor offering the Bosch PowerPack 500 Performance battery at $687.18.
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/shop/bosch-9674?currency=5&delivery_country=191

I hope you're not having any issues with your current battery. I think we both have the 400 and mine seems to be in great condition.

Best!
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I had a similar situation when purchasing my bike, then came to find out it was a 2015 model and not a 2016. The other issue came up regarding the battery life opposed to a brand new battery. It had been sitting for over 2 years unused without a topped off charge which can cause loss of battery life due to storage. Now I have to see how many less cycles I'll get opposed to a brand new battery when purchased.

I like those grips. I may be ready for an upgrade. I am still using stock grips. Probably make a noticeable difference in comfort for sure...
 
I have some interesting news.... I discovered after purchasing my bike that it may be a '15 rather than a '16 model. I brought this to the attention of the bike shop and have been quite surprised at the owner's lack of business-like response. That said, I'm keeping the bike.

I have considerable biking experience. So I know exactly what you mean by having a sore bum. That will get better with time as your body adjusts to more and more riding.

I do agree -- the Mavaro could use a saddle upgrade. What works for me might not work for you, however. Some shops will "demo" saddles so you don't have to shell out a lot of cash to decide later you need or want something different. Check with your local bike shops (or possibly REI, if you have one in your area). Take a look at the "gel" saddles while you're at it. You might like them.

I've always worn padded bike shorts when doing traditional biking, but I haven't been wearing them when riding the Mavaro. That's something to consider as well, although I think it's a less utilized method because e-biking is thought of as more casual riding. But comfort matters and a sore bottom isn't pleasant. So do whatever you need to. I've been riding quite a lot the last few days and it's starting to add up on my "end" as well.

Regarding your question about the Bosch diagnostic check and software update, the prior commenter is correct. You'll need to find a certified Bosch technician to do that for you. Try calling around to find one in your area. When I was considering the Mavaro I spoke with another dealer who suggested the testing and even offered to do it for me. There's no charge involved.

I am liking the Mavaro more and more every time I ride it. Today I rode approximately 18 miles; yesterday approximately 19; and a few miles the day before that. Today's trip started on a full battery and I was pleasantly surprised to see how little battery I used, even when using various modes due to varying terrain.

Things the Mavaro needs are: lock-on ergonomic grips. I like the Brooks model (see first pic shown below). Ergon also has a nice option that's less expensive than the Brooks model (see second pic shown below). I would also like to add a suspension seat-post for added riding comfort. I'm just not sure what might work as my seat height is pretty low already.

I noticed you had posted a question elsewhere about purchasing a Bosch battery at a discounted price. I don't have any experience in this category, however, I did some searching and found this vendor offering the Bosch PowerPack 500 Performance battery at $687.18.
https://www.bike-discount.de/en/shop/bosch-9674?currency=5&delivery_country=191

I hope you're not having any issues with your current battery. I think we both have the 400 and mine seems to be in great condition.

Best!
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Wow! Very underhanded business practice, passing a 2015 as a 2016. And then to have an attitude about it. They could've at least apologized.

I went back to the LBS regarding my derriere pain and asked if they had a comfort saddle I could buy. They said that I need to give it a couple weeks for my sit bones to get used to riding. So I'll give it another week or so before looking at seats seeing as how they could've sold me a $50 saddle and didn't.

When I used to mountain bike a lot years ago, I used to wear padded bike shorts. I did purchase a pair of padded shorts to wear under clothes, and they do help, but I think it's a matter of building up the sit bones.

I will do as you suggested and find an authorized dealer -- I don't think my LBS is an authorized dealer anymore -- which explains why they had only the two bikes left, one of which I purchased.

I love the Mavaro every time I get on it. I live in an extremely hilly area -- New England -- and with a regular bike, I'd have to get off and push it up hills constantly. Now, depending on the steepness, I just turn on the assistance to the level I need and I'm peddling up the hills. Love it! I've put 87 miles on the bike thus far. And I am thrilled with how it handles and the battery life. I've only charged it once.

My grips haven't budged yet, but I do remember in Court's review that he would've preferred locking hand grips. I will certainly look into the options you've suggested when my start moving.

I would love a suspension seat-post, but I would have to look at the cost. I'm still paying my boss back for the loan he gave me so I could get it off layaway. :)

As for my battery, I'm not having any issues at all. It's just that I read that it's better for the battery if you have two and switch them off. The thread also stated that you should only charge the battery to 80% and not let it go below 20%. I don't let it go below 20%, because I'm afraid of being out somewhere and not having the juice to get back up the huge hill I live on. But I do charge it fully because I don't want to have to charge it all the time.

I have to say, I'm glad you've got the same model bike I have it. It's nice to be able to discuss issues with someone who actually has the same exact bike.
 
Bob, I use an Egon grip on my mountain bike. It's more of a high-performance grip and has served me well. I ordered the Brooks model for the Cannondale -- I figure it needs the upgrade. Non lock-on grips are simply unacceptable for a bike of Cannondale's caliber. Here's Ergon's complete collection if you wish to have a look: http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe

On the battery issue, I hope not to have an issue there. That's why the Bosch diagnostic can be revealing and, thus, very helpful. This also highlights the importance of a warranty.

Did you add a seatpost suspension to your bike? That's my next project. I'm going to have to come up with something relatively short, as my seat height is lower than I usually ride due to the heaviness of the bike.
 
Tina, the pleasure is mine and I'm glad we can compare notes. I wouldn't worry about the grips unless they bug you. It's just a matter of personal choice.

On the saddle/shorts issue, I started wearing my padded bike shorts the last couple of rides. It has helped but I'm definitely going to upgrade the saddle when I find something I like. Brooks (https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/saddles.html) and Selle Royal (used by Riese & Muller)(https://www.selleroyal.com/en/category/comfort) both make outstanding saddles. The Selle Royal will be less expensive and far less work upfront, as the Brooks requires a break-in period and saddle soap. Shopping around makes a lot of dollars and sense here, especially when you're on a budget.

If you ever want to invest in padded shorts, I've had good success with Sugoi.

There's no denying the motor helps. Every once in a while I think to myself, "I don't really need an e-bike." And then I turn the display mode to "off" and I say to myself, "but it sure helps!"

Thank you for expressing your concern over my experience with my bike shop. It's very disappointing indeed. I was hoping to have begun a long-term relationship with this store, but the owner's failure to even acknowledge a mistake -- whether it was intentional or not -- is simply not something I'm willing to overlook. Also, despite my pointing out the model year discrepancy to the owner, he's still showing the bike on the store's website as a 2016.

When I bought the Cannondale I wanted a step-thru e-bike with a gates carbon drive and internally geared rear hub. I'm not sure whether you've read anything posted by "Alaskan" but he just posted his new Riese and Muller bike that's equipped like the bike I had envisioned. Here he is talking about his new bike: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/my-ebike-of-choice-finally-arrived.22639/ After doing some shopping and riding, I particularly like the the Kalkhoff Image Advance (shown below), which is due in the U.S. later this summer. So the long and the short of it is I might sell my Cannondale at some point and buy something else.

Btw, what does the "700F" mean regarding your bike? Mines doesn't have that reference -- it's just a Mavaro Performance 1 (as far as I know). The picture you posted looks exactly like my bike.

Happy trails!

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Tina, the pleasure is mine and I'm glad we can compare notes. I wouldn't worry about the grips unless they bug you. It's just a matter of personal choice.

On the saddle/shorts issue, I started wearing my padded bike shorts the last couple of rides. It has helped but I'm definitely going to upgrade the saddle when I find something I like. Brooks (https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/saddles.html) and Selle Royal (used by Riese & Muller)(https://www.selleroyal.com/en/category/comfort) both make outstanding saddles. The Selle Royal will be less expensive and far less work upfront, as the Brooks requires a break-in period and saddle soap. Shopping around makes a lot of dollars and sense here, especially when you're on a budget.

If you ever want to invest in padded shorts, I've had good success with Sugoi.

There's no denying the motor helps. Every once in a while I think to myself, "I don't really need an e-bike." And then I turn the display mode to "off" and I say to myself, "but it sure helps!"

Thank you for expressing your concern over my experience with my bike shop. It's very disappointing indeed. I was hoping to have begun a long-term relationship with this store, but the owner's failure to even acknowledge a mistake -- whether it was intentional or not -- is simply not something I'm willing to overlook. Also, despite my pointing out the model year discrepancy to the owner, he's still showing the bike on the store's website as a 2016.

When I bought the Cannondale I wanted a step-thru e-bike with a gates carbon drive and internally geared rear hub. I'm not sure whether you've read anything posted by "Alaskan" but he just posted his new Riese and Muller bike that's equipped like the bike I had envisioned. Here he is talking about his new bike: https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/my-ebike-of-choice-finally-arrived.22639/ After doing some shopping and riding, I particularly like the the Kalkhoff Image Advance (shown below), which is due in the U.S. later this summer. So the long and the short of it is I might sell my Cannondale at some point and buy something else.

Btw, what does the "700F" mean regarding your bike? Mines doesn't have that reference -- it's just a Mavaro Performance 1 (as far as I know). The picture you posted looks exactly like my bike.

Happy trails!

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I like the looks of the bike you posted, but I'll probably be keeping my bike for years. My husband knows I paid a lot for it, but not exactly how much.

I would like a mountain ebike, so I can hit the many trails we have around here, but it will take me a few years to save up this kind of money again.

I am thinking that I will probably need to replace the saddle sometime soon. But between paying my boss back and being the locks I'm going to need, the saddle is near the bottom of the list. :)

I don't believe there's an authorized Bosch dealer near me, so a diagnostic and update will have to wait until I can afford a new bike rack.

I've got quite a list going and not enough cash to spread over it. LOL!
 
Bob, I use an Egon grip on my mountain bike. It's more of a high-performance grip and has served me well. I ordered the Brooks model for the Cannondale -- I figure it needs the upgrade. Non lock-on grips are simply unacceptable for a bike of Cannondale's caliber. Here's Ergon's complete collection if you wish to have a look: http://www.ergon-bike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe

On the battery issue, I hope not to have an issue there. That's why the Bosch diagnostic can be revealing and, thus, very helpful. This also highlights the importance of a warranty.

Did you add a seatpost suspension to your bike? That's my next project. I'm going to have to come up with something relatively short, as my seat height is lower than I usually ride due to the heaviness of the bike.

grnmtnbk-I have the same same issue with purchasing a suspension seatpost. My seat height has to sit too low to allow enough clearance for a suspension post. I found out from the mfg that you need a minimum of 4 inches to fit the post linkage/springs. Perhaps I can find a quality post that does not require the clearance. Thanks for the grips info...
 
Tina: in case its appearance is misleading, the Kalkhoff is a city bike. (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)

Tina and Bob: Did you know the Cannondale is available overseas with an internally geared Nuvinci hub? (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)
Do either of you know anyone who has the Nuvinci hub or has added it to their Mavaro? If so, any idea how it worked out for them?

Bob: I'm intent on getting a "short" suspension seatpost to add comfort to my ride. Have you considered the Kinekt -- do you think either of these models would work?
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Tina: in case its appearance is misleading, the Kalkhoff is a city bike. (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)

Tina and Bob: Did you know the Cannondale is available overseas with an internally geared Nuvinci hub? (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)
Do either of you know anyone who has the Nuvinci hub or has added it to their Mavaro? If so, any idea how it worked out for them?

Bob: I'm intent on getting a "short" suspension seatpost to add comfort to my ride. Have you considered the Kinekt -- do you think either of these models would work?
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I'm looking at the Kinekt. I've been watching YouTube videos and reading reviews. It's pricey, but it looks to be exactly what I'm looking for. I'm torn between getting that next or getting another ABUS U-lock.

I'm afraid Im not versed enough in the technology to know the difference between what my current bike has versus the Nuvinci. So perhaps you could explain what makes that better than the Bosch Performance mid-drive. :)

I didn't know the front shock was adjustable. Does adjusting it make it a harder or softer ride?
 
I'm looking at the Kinekt. I've been watching YouTube videos and reading reviews. It's pricey, but it looks to be exactly what I'm looking for. I'm torn between getting that next or getting another ABUS U-lock.

I'm afraid Im not versed enough in the technology to know the difference between what my current bike has versus the Nuvinci. So perhaps you could explain what makes that better than the Bosch Performance mid-drive. :)

I didn't know the front shock was adjustable. Does adjusting it make it a harder or softer ride?

Tina- FYI-
The NuVinci Gearless Drive Hub is an internal gear set instead of external gears, known as your groupset. The Nuvinci is like an auto transmission for your bike. Very advanced technology opposed to the traditional gears that use a derailleur to switch gears.
 
Tina: in case its appearance is misleading, the Kalkhoff is a city bike. (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)

Tina and Bob: Did you know the Cannondale is available overseas with an internally geared Nuvinci hub? (Link Removed - No Longer Exists)
Do either of you know anyone who has the Nuvinci hub or has added it to their Mavaro? If so, any idea how it worked out for them?

Bob: I'm intent on getting a "short" suspension seatpost to add comfort to my ride. Have you considered the Kinekt -- do you think either of these models would work?
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grnmtnbk-Do these suspension posts referenced above have a shorter clearance? If so, how much than the traditional 4 inches? Not sure if it would work for me or not. I do not see anything in the specs you have provided in the linked page.

The Cannondale with Nuvinci is an awesome setup. Did not know they made it with the internal geared setup.
I do not know of anyone who added that to their E-bike. Thanks for the heads up though...
 
grnmtnbk-Do these suspension posts referenced above have a shorter clearance? If so, how much than the traditional 4 inches? Not sure if it would work for me or not. I do not see anything in the specs you have provided in the linked page.

The Cannondale with Nuvinci is an awesome setup. Did not know they made it with the internal geared setup.
I do not know of anyone who added that to their E-bike. Thanks for the heads up though...

Bob, I spoke with the guys at Cirrus Cycles regarding the BodyFloat (aka Kinekt) Seatpost. We spoke about my bike and I sent them a picture to help them determine whether the seatpost would work for me. By removing the elastomer and changing my saddle to one with rails that aren't so low as the Mavaro's spec seat, we're confident the seatpost will work. And nobody is happier about this news than me! Call them -- they were really helpful. Also, don't wait because they are blowing out the 2.0 model right now at $199 + shipping. I'm super excited to receive mine and can't say enough good things about the customer service I received.

On the European/Nuvinci modeli, I mentioned it as something notable and different. I'm actually quite liking the Mavaro drivetrain more than I'd imagined I would, as it give me a wide grear-ratio in a 10x.

Oh, and one other thing, if you end up buying the Brooks GP1 Ergon grips, make sure the grips are both the same size. They make a version that has a shorter right grip to allow for room for a grip-shifter (or perhaps a throttle), and we need neither.

Best!
 
Bob, I spoke with the guys at Cirrus Cycles regarding the BodyFloat (aka Kinekt) Seatpost. We spoke about my bike and I sent them a picture to help them determine whether the seatpost would work for me. By removing the elastomer and changing my saddle to one with rails that aren't so low as the Mavaro's spec seat, we're confident the seatpost will work. And nobody is happier about this news than me! Call them -- they were really helpful. Also, don't wait because they are blowing out the 2.0 model right now at $199 + shipping. I'm super excited to receive mine and can't say enough good things about the customer service I received.

On the European/Nuvinci modeli, I mentioned it as something notable and different. I'm actually quite liking the Mavaro drivetrain more than I'd imagined I would, as it give me a wide grear-ratio in a 10x.

Oh, and one other thing, if you end up buying the Brooks GP1 Ergon grips, make sure the grips are both the same size. They make a version that has a shorter right grip to allow for room for a grip-shifter (or perhaps a throttle), and we need neither.

Best!

grnmtnbk-Thanks for the heads up on the grips. Yes, I have seen Cirrus advertising other components at good prices. Sounds like a good company to deal with.
 
As a follow-up regarding the Kalkhoff Image Advance B8 referenced and pictured above, I've since lost interest in the soon-to-be released bike. Why? Because, since first releasing info on the bike, Kalkhoff has lowered the specs -- changing from the Bosch Performance Line motor with 63 Nm of torque to the Bosch Active Plus motor with 50 Nm of torque, and increasing the price by $400. Plus, with the introduction of the Bosch Powertube battery, I anticipate seeing more and more internal batteries (unlike the external rack-mounted battery on the Mavaro), which I actually prefer from an aesthetic point of view and am hopeful Riese and Muller, in particular, will be offering this newer technology on its step-thru bikes with a carbon gates belt drive in the coming years. For now, though, the Mavaro with its Bosch Performance Line motor is a super bike and i plan to get many hours of enjoyment on it.
 
As a follow-up regarding the Kalkhoff Image Advance B8 referenced and pictured above, I've since lost interest in the soon-to-be released bike. Why? Because, since first releasing info on the bike, Kalkhoff has lowered the specs -- changing from the Bosch Performance Line motor with 63 Nm of torque to the Bosch Active Plus motor with 50 Nm of torque, and increasing the price by $400. Plus, with the introduction of the Bosch Powertube battery, I anticipate seeing more and more internal batteries (unlike the external rack-mounted battery on the Mavaro), which I actually prefer from an aesthetic point of view and am hopeful Riese and Muller, in particular, will be offering this newer technology on its step-thru bikes with a carbon gates belt drive in the coming years. For now, though, the Mavaro with its Bosch Performance Line motor is a super bike and i plan to get many hours of enjoyment on it.

Your thoughts are fully justified regarding the Kalkhoff. I came across a 2018 Trek E-bike for sale that had cheaper components than the one posted on their website when comparing apples to apples. Another case of buyer beware.
I also like the belt drive bikes that I am seeing. Looks like they are lower maintenance and much less lubing than traditional chains. That's what makes this industry so exiting with it constantly evolving with new technology everywhere. It will be difficult to just own 1 IMHO.

It would be great if some shops could set up a future E-bike exchange program so you could get some extra $$$ to swap out to a newer model.
 
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Bob, I spoke with the guys at Cirrus Cycles regarding the BodyFloat (aka Kinekt) Seatpost. We spoke about my bike and I sent them a picture to help them determine whether the seatpost would work for me. By removing the elastomer and changing my saddle to one with rails that aren't so low as the Mavaro's spec seat, we're confident the seatpost will work. And nobody is happier about this news than me! Call them -- they were really helpful. Also, don't wait because they are blowing out the 2.0 model right now at $199 + shipping. I'm super excited to receive mine and can't say enough good things about the customer service I received.

On the European/Nuvinci modeli, I mentioned it as something notable and different. I'm actually quite liking the Mavaro drivetrain more than I'd imagined I would, as it give me a wide grear-ratio in a 10x.

Oh, and one other thing, if you end up buying the Brooks GP1 Ergon grips, make sure the grips are both the same size. They make a version that has a shorter right grip to allow for room for a grip-shifter (or perhaps a throttle), and we need neither.

Best!
What's the difference between the 2.0 and the newest model?
 
What's the difference between the 2.0 and the newest model?

Not much other than an extra $100.

I bought the 2.0 model and couldn't be happier! It's a huge improvement.

I also changed my saddle to the Selle Italia Gel Flow (shown below). I had previously used this saddle on my mountain bike and am liking it even more on the Mavaro (most likely because the standard seat is not so good, in my opinion).

Remember, if you want to spring for the Cirrus (aka Kinekt) Bodyfloat 2.0, you should act quickly. Just call Chris at Cirrus Cycles at 360.392.8302 and he'll set you up.

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Not much other than an extra $100.

I bought the 2.0 model and couldn't be happier! It's a huge improvement.

I also changed my saddle to the Selle Italia Gel Flow (shown below). I had previously used this saddle on my mountain bike and am liking it even more on the Mavaro (most likely because the standard seat is not so good, in my opinion).

Remember, if you want to spring for the Cirrus (aka Kinekt) Bodyfloat 2.0, you should act quickly. Just call Chris at Cirrus Cycles at 360.392.8302 and he'll set you up.

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I already ordered the newest model of the Kinekt from Amazon before reading your post. It was $249 with free shipping.

I'm going to see how it works with the Mavaro's saddle. If I'm still uncomfortable, I'll look into buying a new saddle.

On another note, I'm so glad the nicer weather is here. I've been riding my bike to work almost every day. On my way home I take a longer ride. It is such a joy to ride this bike!
 
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