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Apollo users actually reported the most efficiency gains after upgrading to Archon, granted it was sample size of 1. Makes sense that, if anything, the Luna mod to double the current made things less efficient than more.

The Hydra Black is assembled by Dengfu. That's why it's priced lower and can't be customized, other than upgrading the controller and adding a spare battery. The battery specs are: 48V, 800Wh, 18650 cells. The other Hydras are built in house by Watt Wagons and come with 52V battery.

The WW Hydra Black is 48V. Probably will be the same battery as the Z1 since both builds are sourced from Dengfu. Not sure any Hydra Black been delivered, will be interesting to see if similar battery issues manifest. I would think anyone buying the Hydra would upgrade to the Archon...

AFAIK the Luna M600 firmware was outsourced to Bafang who sent an engineer to Luna to tune. Original firmware on very early motors was smoother, may have actually been stock firmware. The firmware that went on most Luna M600 motors prior to 2021 was worthless at low PAS, apparently was...

Strange that Biktrix say upgrading the firmware is a one way street. Luna sells the BESST tool with at least 3 different firmwares (for the M600) and pretty sure you can upgrade or downgrade to any of them. My recollection is that some flashed an older version of the firmware to access option...

It's really hard to come up with an alternative to the Ultra. It's a monster mid drive, somewhat unrefined, but oodles of power. Watt Wagons used to be a company I would recommend, due to their superb aftermarket controller for the Ultra, but they're going thru a lot of turmoil right now. If...

You can verify it once you get your bike (will have different connectors for display). Not a much magic to how they work. Cadence senses how fast you are pedaling. Torque senses how hard you are pushing on the pedals. Then it's up to the controller what to do with that information to blend...

I'm not sure that's correct. AFAIK Bafang is in the process of transitioning the Ultra from UART to CANBUS. No guarantee you will get one or the other unless Biktrix has negotiated something where they only get remaining stock of UART motors. At this point I think you're more likely to get a...

You were flamed for suggesting Watt Wagons wasn't following up with him because he wasn't adding sugar. As it turned out, that wasn't the case. Instead of trying to re-write the narrative of what you were flamed for how about waiting to see how things shake out for Wookie and others? You...

That's a really nice and clean looking clean 2 battery design!

OK, not a forum rule, just common sense. Is the irony lost on you that you had this epiphany mid stream in a diarrhea fest?

I've read it. I even searched for Voice your grievance and move on to no avail, shrug. Not sure what you were referring to.

Barn Boy, It would help if you pointed us to the bolded terms you referred to. As far as civility, I have ignored one poster long ago, so can only see your replies to them. Would suggest you do the same so you don't preach about civility while calling others fools, etc.

Where is this policy stated? Waxed Wookie was providing an update. I don't think it's unreasonable to follow up. After seeing his positive update before the holidays, and a personal friend finally get their bike, I was hoping Watt Wagons had turned a corner. Like you, I've never had a...

Sorry but that's bullshit. There is ZERO excuse not to communicate.

Well, there are a lot of purchasers wondering why WW didn't build their bikes sooner, but I don't think that's what you're referring to. :D

Yeah, E05 frame, I think it's older geometry in addition to shorter travel with E10 being the latest gen.

I didn't have a chance to compare yet. My buddy just got his hydra and lives on the other side of the mountains so will wait untl spring to drop by.

What would you have to change besides the shocks on the X2? As far as your Frey with standard controller, have you tested FREY smooth tune? I asked Pushkar/Innotrace if they had compared Archon/Innotrace to smooth tune. Pushkar never responded and Innotrace only replied in theoretical terms...

Someone that wants more power than euro-spec might also consider a M600 offering, such as the Luna X2. The original Luna X1 left a lot to be desired as Luna's tuning prior to 2021 was garbage at lower PAS and pedal strike was also a big issue. Luna came out with shorter cranks for the M600 but...